Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
If you’re not being sarcastic this is a hilarious post. Should have added Aussie
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Do you think the Italian electorate, whose democratically expressed wishes are being deemed unacceptable by the non-elected EU commission, will draw much comfort from the fact that it's not an issue for the UK?
I thought it was Brexit voters who were Little Englanders and all the remain supporters were supposed to be internationalist...
Supine
Newt Member
No I don't to the first point and you can be an internationalist without thinking monetary union is a good thing.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The counting method was simply to take the total population of provincial towns/villages and subtract from that the number of cunts that were absent from those places on that particular day.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Makes your original response a bit odd then. It's as if you're seeking to dismiss the news of the EU attempting to overrule the Italian govt as 'nothing to do with us' because it doesn't directly affect the UK.
What it clearly does do is provide another example of how the EU seeks to enforce its rules regarding austerity etc over the wishes of national electorates. The tensions within the EU which have brought us to Brexit are by no means confined to the UK.
Doppelgänger
There's only one of me!
But Italy is part of the Eurozone and so there has to be extra scrutiny and checks put in place.
The EU would not do this to a non-Eurozone country.
The comparison is like Scotland going on a splurge and Westminster telling them that yes they have devolved powers, but they can't spend more than they actually have or can afford.
Brexit deal progress is 0% until Irish border solved, Guy Verhofstadt warns
Just goes to show the pointlessness of Mayhem putting a percentage on how far a deal is done
Just goes to show the pointlessness of Mayhem putting a percentage on how far a deal is done
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Yeah, but, Guy Verhofstadt is a no-mark in this game.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
From the very first day the EU have said the border issue must be settled firstly, yup.
Nothing happens without it. There is no deal without it. A no deal brexit, you could say.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Gets a bit more complicated when you look at exactly who the Italian electorate elected, and at some other aspects of their legislative platform.
For sure but agreement to join the Euro is a pre-requisite for membership of the EU so the point andysays made still stands.
I know there are several EU countries that still have their own currency (historical financial situations) but they are still in agreement that they will have to switch at some point.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it just sort of looks to me like the EU is a-ok with the creeping fascism but god forbid a spending rule should b broken eh. priorities m8
sleaterkinney
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Just want to clarify that my point wasn't specifically about the Euro, more about the unelected EU Commission using any means at their disposal (in this particular case Italy's membership of the Euro) to subvert the democratic wishes of national governments and electorates if those wishes don't comply with the overall EU economic project.
Anyone who says 'oh, we don't need to worry because we're not in the Euro' is naive at best...
SpineyNorman
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Are you happy that the EU can and does enforce this? The EU is enforcing austerity. It's not technical question on whether they are living within their means, it's profoundly political.
If Westminster tried to pull that shit with Scotland I'd be 100 percent behind the Scottish people.
And it does still kind of look like you're saying that doesn't affect the UK so what's the problem?
mauvais
on reddit or something
I think this is by no means demonstrated not to be the case, but using a monetary union-based example to illustrate it doesn't work particularly well does it. Direction over a member's spending is probably inevitable in any kind of fiscal union, from to the EU all the way down to two people's marriage. If my democratic wish is to spend all my income on wine instead of our mortgage, I can envisage my missus 'subverting' it in very short order...
mauvais
on reddit or something
Why 'if'? It absolutely does do this, and not just to Scotland. The question for Scots, or perhaps 1980s Liverpudlians or whoever else, is whether they can either successfully fight it within that union or ultimately survive & thrive outside of that union on their own terms. So far the answer has been no, except for Brexiteers.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Sweden has been balls-to-the-wall in preparation for joining the Euro for the past 16 years!
Doppelgänger
There's only one of me!
The thing is Italy agreed to those conditions and so are being scrutinised accordingly.
The EU probably won't really do much beyond be vocal about it.
This article explains it pretty well:
How EU's budget rules sparked showdown with Italy - Independent.ie
Only Brexiters are making a thing of this as they believe Italy is ceding sovereignty, but in reality all countries do to a degree when they are part of a group or have an agreement in place.
The UK will have to make concessions when it comes to any bi-lateral or multi-lateral agreements post-Brexit. To think otherwise is just pandering to those politicians who have convinced some Britain can be some sort of leading utopia executing amazing trade deals left right and centre.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Love how you've translated the EU "enforcing it's will" into "extra scrutiny and checks".
SpineyNorman
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Until the Scottish parliament attempts to defy them there's not a lot anyone can do though.
I certainly wouldn't try to deflect criticism of the British state over the Liverpool council by saying they're just enforcing checks and balances.
We're talking about the EU here anyway.
SpineyNorman
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I once took a kind of neither king nor keiser position on brexit. Always known the EU was a bag of shite but without knowing the alternative I wasn't going to vote for brexit.
Now I'm firmly in the pro brexit camp. I think it's the elitism and trust your superiors bollocks that remainers come out with that's swung me. I still don't know what the alternative is and it's probably shite but I don't care if it keeps those entitled cunts crying into their cornflakes.
Now I'm firmly in the pro brexit camp. I think it's the elitism and trust your superiors bollocks that remainers come out with that's swung me. I still don't know what the alternative is and it's probably shite but I don't care if it keeps those entitled cunts crying into their cornflakes.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the trouble is, remain or depart, you still have entitled cunts on the same side.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
the trouble is, remain or depart, you still have entitled cunts on the same side.
"The historical crisis of the proletariat..." etc
andysays
Love and solidarity
Some of the responses here are quite shocking in their willingness to overlook the reality of the unelected European Commission telling the recently elected government of Italy to revise its budget, including campaign promises guaranteeing a minimum income for the unemployed, and giving them a deadline of three weeks to submit a new, draft budget to Brussels, because they said the first draft represented a "particularly serious non-compliance" with its recommendations.
This is, apparently, a previously unprecedented move with regard to an EU member state, but let's not concern ourselves with that, rules are rules after all.
This is, apparently, a previously unprecedented move with regard to an EU member state, but let's not concern ourselves with that, rules are rules after all.
SpineyNorman
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You are correct of course but that won't stop me taking joy in watching them chuck out their teddies.the trouble is, remain or depart, you still have entitled cunts on the same side.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
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