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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?

  • Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    Votes: 66 18.2%

  • A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    Votes: 111 30.7%

  • No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    Votes: 185 51.1%
  • Total voters
    362
Just how do they estimate the size of these marches? My family arrived at Hyde Park Corner to join the March at about 3.30pm when the back of the March back up in Park Lane had not even left the starting point. By that time probably many people had already reached Parliament Square and left. How many people can fit into Parliament Square at one time?
 
toblerone3 said:
Were any of the people sneering here actually at the march? It was actually quite an impressive march and, if the reports are to be believed, it was one of the biggest marches in British history. (600-700,00) First was the Stop the War March (2 million February 2003) and the level third was March for the Alternative 400,000 (March 2011) and CND 400,000 (October 1983).

In terms of political colours most of the marchers were probably Labour voters but there was also a fair smattering from across the political spectrum. Not sure what the political effect will be, but I'm relieved that the March was a big success. I would have been concerned, for instance, if only 40,000 had turned up and I think that the proponents of Brexit would have attempted to make political capital out of it. I think its possible that politically the tide has turned against Brexit.

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That photo which includes the drumming band is, IME, not wholly representative of the demographics of the march. The parts of the march that passed where I was taking pics (1/3rd of it?) was:
a)older
b)whiter
c)quieter
d)posher
etc.
 
brogdale said:
That photo which includes the drumming band is, IME, not wholly representative of the demographics of the march. The parts of the march that passed where I was taking pics (1/3rd of it?) was:
a)older
b)whiter
c)quieter
d)posher
etc.
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You may be right. It just so happened that the bit of March were I was wasn't. You stood still in one place and observed and had a better technical statistical view of things. I did talk to people though and walked with them. But I did feel that some of the posts earlier were exaggerating certain aspects. There were certainly plenty of really sound people there. Don't scoff at them!
 
brogdale said:
That photo which includes the drumming band is, IME, not wholly representative of the demographics of the march. The parts of the march that passed where I was taking pics (1/3rd of it?) was:
a)older
b)whiter
c)quieter
d)posher
etc.
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Older, whiter, posher? Arguably the core shire counties vote for Leave.
 
toblerone3 said:
Were any of the people sneering here actually at the march? It was actually quite an impressive march and, if the reports are to be believed, it was one of the biggest marches in British history. (600-700,00) First was the Stop the War March (2 million February 2003) and the level third was March for the Alternative 400,000 (March 2011) and CND 400,000 (October 1983).

In terms of political colours most of the marchers were probably Labour voters but there was also a fair smattering from across the political spectrum. Not sure what the political effect will be, but I'm relieved that the March was a big success. I would have been concerned, for instance, if only 40,000 had turned up and I think that the proponents of Brexit would have attempted to make political capital out of it. I think its possible that politically the tide has turned against Brexit.

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I don’t see how the march demonstrates the ‘tide has turned’ at all. It’s been largely dismissed. There were a lot of Remain voters. There still is. No way of reckoning anything other than there are still more of the others.
 
toblerone3 said:
Just how do they estimate the size of these marches? My family arrived at Hyde Park Corner to join the March at about 3.30pm when the back of the March back up in Park Lane had not even left the starting point. By that time probably many people had already reached Parliament Square and left. How many people can fit into Parliament Square at one time?
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It's known how many people can fit into any of the major roads/squares/parks/etc around there, and helicopters can see the degree to which they're full. Crowds have different densities though and when people spill into the surrounding areas it gets a lot harder to tell so it will always be a bit imprecise.
 
toblerone3 said:
Just how do they estimate the size of these marches? My family arrived at Hyde Park Corner to join the March at about 3.30pm when the back of the March back up in Park Lane had not even left the starting point. By that time probably many people had already reached Parliament Square and left. How many people can fit into Parliament Square at one time?
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they guess, tbh. the only march i'm aware of where they tried to actually count the number of people attending was the big countryside alliance one of c.400,000 in (iirc) 2002. there are measures of how many people can fit into x amount of space: but no one actually counts, neither the police nor the organisers. the police have often said 'due to our experience in policing demonstrations our informed opinion is' or words to that affect. but it's guesswork it really is.
 
toblerone3 said:
Were any of the people sneering here actually at the march? It was actually quite an impressive march and, if the reports are to be believed, it was one of the biggest marches in British history. (600-700,00) First was the Stop the War March (2 million February 2003) and the level third was March for the Alternative 400,000 (March 2011) and CND 400,000 (October 1983).
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how soon the countryside alliance are forgotten
BBC NEWS | UK | Huge turnout for countryside march
 
Mr Moose said:
I don’t see how the march demonstrates the ‘tide has turned’ at all. It’s been largely dismissed. There were a lot of Remain voters. There still is. No way of reckoning anything other than there are still more of the others.
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I think its possible that politically the tide has turned against Brexit. There are growing demands for a People's Vote on the deal (whatever that turns out to be) and many polls are now showing support for Brexit falling so that it is now less that support for Remain.
 
DexterTCN said:
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Slightly misleading.

Moldova aren't actually blocking Britain's re-entry into the WTO (whatever that would mean). They, along with a few other countries, are attempting to block
the U.K.’s re-entry to the World Trade Organization’s Government Procurement Agreement, an accord that smooths the bidding process on public contracts, including in the $837 billion U.S. market
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Not quite so scary when you read the real story rather than the twitter spin
 
andysays said:
Slightly misleading.

Moldova aren't actually blocking Britain's re-entry into the WTO (whatever that would mean). They, along with a few other countries, are attempting to block

Not quite so scary when you read the real story rather than the twitter spin
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Bit like the diplomatic/geopolitical version of be nice to folk on the way up; you'll meet them again on the way down :D
 
andysays said:
Slightly misleading.

Moldova aren't actually blocking Britain's re-entry into the WTO (whatever that would mean). They, along with a few other countries, are attempting to block

Not quite so scary when you read the real story rather than the twitter spin
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The tweet headline is a bit misleading, yup.

Did you get to the bit where it was payback?

And how those 'few other countries' include the US and Japan?

Or the bit where they're wanting access to public procurement, HS2, Heathrow and govt IT contracts?

Not quite so scary at all?
 
Elsewhere in the EU...

Italy budget: European Commission demands changes
The European Commission has told Italy to revise its budget, an unprecedented move with regard to an EU member state. The Commission is worried about the impact of higher spending on already high levels of debt in Italy, the eurozone's third-biggest economy. Italy's governing populist parties have vowed to push ahead with campaign promises including a minimum income for the unemployed. The country now has three weeks to submit a new, draft budget to Brussels. The Commission said the first draft represented a "particularly serious non-compliance" with its recommendations.
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So much winning!

UK readies flotilla plan for supplies in no-deal Brexit

Britain is drawing up plans to charter ships to bring in emergency food and medicines in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit next March, in a move greeted with disbelief at a stormy meeting of Theresa May’s cabinet on Tuesday.
The cabinet was told that the heavily used Dover-Calais route could quickly become blocked by new customs controls on the French side, forcing Britain to seek alternative ways of bringing in “critical supplies”.
The warnings about the consequences of a disorderly British exit from the EU came at a cabinet meeting which saw ministers divided into two camps over how to unlock a deal in Brussels. One witness said there was “an almighty row”.
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One person briefed on the plans said: “The idea of the government running ferry services is slightly farcical.”
Government officials say the idea would be to charter ships to use less congested sea routes. “We’re talking about bringing in critical supplies like food, medicines, maybe car parts,” said one official briefed on the plan.
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Government officials say they do not expect to have to use legal powers to requisition ships, although with only five months to go until Brexit on March 29th, there is little time to charter ships on the open market.
Pauline Bastidon, head of European policy at the Freight Transport Association, said: “We are open to all kinds of ideas about how to keep supplies flowing in a no deal Brexit. But it’s hard to see where the extra ships would quickly be found. Nor can I see how other UK ports could possibly handle the huge volumes currently going through the Dover strait.”
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Mr Moose said:
Not sure how you got to that. I’m merely quoting Tory policy at you, the most popular party with Brexit voters.

It’s a bit absurd to accuse one side of building a wall when one of the main appeals of the other side was that they would build a bigger better one.
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Me neither I think I was in a pub that day....


ETA- I didn’t read your comment properly. It’s a bit absurd to accuse the institution actually referred in the question we answered on the day of the ref of building a very long wall when they did ....precisely.... this?
 
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