Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[danny la rouge]

That makes you a proper irish.

That’s certainly what kids and teachers at school used to tell me.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I think your issue here is that you are confusing several different concepts as one. That’s precisely the point I was making. Culture, polity, statehood, geography. And so on. These are all different things.

To be clear: I support the reunification of Ireland.

I know and I think I was probably very emotional about stuff yesterday on here. Sorry about that. Family history going back too long in the mess that was the civil war and the horrors of the troubles. And I know that ordinary people don't want a return to violence or sectarianism.
Apologies to butchersapron I assumed you were anti Irish with your butchers apron title here and "blood on the walls"....to me that is what was waved in the faces of family up north...in a way that was mocking and sectarian. And areas that flew the butchersapron were to be avoided if you didn't want to be beaten up.

 

[Deej92]

pior auld norway

can you speak norwegian?

No.
Does that language use capital letters?

 

[Pickman's model]

No.
Does that language use capital letters?

you're nothing but a sad obsessive

 

[danny la rouge]

No.
Does that language use capital letters?

Yes. And it spaces its paragraphs.

 

[Deej92]

you're nothing but a sad obsessive

My pleasure dear.

 

[Pickman's model]

My pleasure dear.

yeh like a constant wanker you're only interested in your own pleasure

 

[paolo]

It’s the same between France and Italy. Free movement is sacrosanct, my arse.

Shengen is a separate thing than freedom of movement.

Whilst in the EU, the U.K. maintains border control, whist allowing freedom of movement
for EU nationals.

They are different things.

You can’t not know this, in your profession.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Shengen is a separate thing than freedom of movement.

Whilst in the EU, the U.K. maintains border control, whist allowing freedom of movement
for EU nationals.

They are different things.

You can’t not know this, in your profession.

That is not what is being talked about though. There are border checks between Garmany and Austria and France and Italy, EU citizens are being turned back at these borders. Which is against Schengen and makes free movement impossible. Yet Macron and his fellow scumbags repeat that free movement must be a part of any single market type deal. The Four Freedoms are fake.

 

[paolo]

That is not what is being talked about though. There are border checks between Garmany and Austria and France and Italy, EU citizens are being turned back at these borders. Which is against Schengen and makes free movement impossible. Yet Macron and his fellow scumbags repeat that free movement must be a part of any single market type deal. The Four Freedoms are fake.

EU citizens are being turned back internally?

Saying “got a link for that” sounds confrontational. It’s not meant to be. But I’m surprised and want to read more before commenting.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

EU citizens are being turned back internally?

Saying “got a link for that” sounds confrontational. It’s not meant to be. But I’m surprised and want to read more before commenting.

Brown EU citizens. If you are black and drive from Italy to France with no ID, as is your right, you will currently be turned back. If you are white you are waved through.

As to my profession, a group of Senegalese government officials I was booking had just this problem when travelling from Nice to Milan last week. The fact that two of them did have their (diplomatic) passports on them didn’t stop the rest of the group suffering a two hour delay at the border.

Schengen and as a result, free movement, has been fucked cos of the refugee influx and the racist response to it. That is another matter, but to hear Europhiles wibbling on that the four freedoms are holy is just shite, cos they are the first folk to abandon them once scary forrins roll up.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Brown EU citizens. If you are black and drive from Italy to France with no ID, as is your right, you will currently be turned back. If you are white you are waved through.

As to my profession, a group of Senegalese government officials I was booking had just this problem when travelling from Nice to Milan last week. The fact that two of them did have their (diplomatic) passports on them didn’t stop the rest of the group suffering a two hour delay at the border.

Schengen and as a result, free movement, has been fucked cos if the refugee influx and the racist response to it. That is another matter, but to hear Europhiles wibbling on that the four freedoms are holy is just shite, cos they are the first folk to abandon them one scary forrins roll up.

So how does one address problems such as these?

 

[paolo]

Bahnhof Strasse

You're wiggling your story.

Proveable EU citizens aren't being stopped from freedom of movement, are they?

If they are, please please do post the link.

 

[Pickman's model]

Brown EU citizens. If you are black and drive from Italy to France with no ID, as is your right, you will currently be turned back. If you are white you are waved through.

As to my profession, a group of Senegalese government officials I was booking had just this problem when travelling from Nice to Milan last week. The fact that two of them did have their (diplomatic) passports on them didn’t stop the rest of the group suffering a two hour delay at the border.

Schengen and as a result, free movement, has been fucked cos of the refugee influx and the racist response to it. That is another matter, but to hear Europhiles wibbling on that the four freedoms are holy is just shite, cos they are the first folk to abandon them once scary forrins roll up.

Have you ever noticed the number of self-styled xians (and for that matter jews) who pay no heed to all of the ten commandments? And they're proper holy

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So how does one address problems such as these?

Stop pretending that free movement (as in right to settle and work) and Schengen (right to roam) are somehow linked with a deal on the trade in goods and services?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Have you ever noticed the number of self-styled xians (and for that matter jews) who pay no heed to all of the ten commandments? And they're proper holy

I find that the more pious one seems to be, the further removed from the teachings of Christ one tends to be.

I am atheist yet would probably have been a shoo-in for a seat at the last supper, sister-in-law is a big noise in Westminster Diocese and is one of the most selfish motherfuckers I have ever met.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Bahnhof Strasse

You're wiggling your story.

Proveable EU citizens aren't being stopped from freedom of movement, are they?

If they are, please please do post the link.

On a phone and don’t know how to copy links; google Border checks France Italy and fill yer boots.

 

[paolo]

On a phone and don’t know how to copy links; google Border checks France Italy and fill yer boots.

Internal EU passport holders are being refused inside the EU.

This is a major news story.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Internal EU passport holders are being refused inside the EU.

This is a major news story.

It’s not.

 

[paolo]

This is an ostensibly bizarre claim.

This would be a massive story. A mean *massive*.

Way beyond the lens of the UK Brexit issue.

Let's repeat this (and nobody else is. Nobody in the press, nobody else here)

You're saying that EU passport holders are now being refused movement inside the EU?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This is an ostensibly bizarre claim.

This would be a massive story. A mean *massive*.

Way beyond the lens of the UK Brexit issue.

Let's repeat this (and nobody else is. Nobody in the press, nobody else here)

You're saying that EU passport holders are now being refused movement inside the EU?

If you turn up at the Austro-German or Franco-Italian border without papers you will now be turned back. Is this news to you?

 

[Pickman's model]

If you turn up at the Austro-German or Franco-Italian border without papers you will now be turned back. Is this news to you?

Just tó make it utterly explicit for poor paolo, if I, currently an eu passport holder, presented at the border between France and Italy without passport I'd be prevented from passing through?

 

[Yossarian]

You're saying that EU passport holders are now being refused movement inside the EU?

I was also surprised to hear it, but apparently it's been going on for some time.

France to extend internal EU border checks over security fears

 

[andysays]

More dissent within the Tory ranks

Brexit: David Davis calls for cabinet rebellion over PM's plan

Cabinet ministers should "exert their collective authority" and rebel against Theresa May's proposed Brexit deal, ex-Brexit Secretary David Davis has said. The PM has suggested a temporary customs arrangement for the whole UK to remain in the customs union while the Irish border issue is resolved. Brexiteers suspect this could turn into a permanent situation, restricting the freedom to strike trade deals. Writing in the Sunday Times, Mr Davis said the plan was unacceptable.

And further doubts about whether the DUP will back May

Arlene Foster warns Theresa May over 'dodgy' Brexit deal

Revealed: leaked emails show DUP ready for no-deal Brexit

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just tó make it utterly explicit for poor paolo, if I, currently an eu passport holder, presented at the border between France and Italy without passport I'd be prevented from passing through?

You will also be permitted to proceed if you have an ID card in lieu of a passport.

 

[Poi E]

They mean the UVF are ready for a no-deal, the vile cunts.

 

[mojo pixy]

You will also be permitted to proceed if you have an ID card in lieu of a passport.

There hasn't as far as I know ever been a time when EU citizens didn't need to show ID at internal border checks. British (and Irish?) citizens need a passport because we don't carry ID cards, but this isn't a specifically anti-offshorers thing.

 

[paolo]

You will also be permitted to proceed if you have an ID card in lieu of a passport.

This isn't - as you you initially suggested - anything to do with Freedom of movement?

An ugly fracture in Schengen. But not freedom of movement.

I'll ask again: Do you, in your job, understand the difference?

 

[brogdale]

More dissent within the Tory ranks

Brexit: David Davis calls for cabinet rebellion over PM's plan

And further doubts about whether the DUP will back May

Arlene Foster warns Theresa May over 'dodgy' Brexit deal

Revealed: leaked emails show DUP ready for no-deal Brexit

Time for Yeat's 'Second Coming' quote "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;"?

 

[Yossarian]

Time for Yeat's 'Second Coming' quote "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;"?

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst UKIP
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming Brexit is at hand.