Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Yes I agree that’s what the EU represents. If you want out of that then I can see why you might vote to leave. I’m not convinced that Lexit is what drove the majority of Leavers though.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Yes I agree that’s what the EU represents. If you want out of that then I can see why you might vote to leave. I’m not convinced that Lexit is what drove the majority of Leavers though.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Nobody said it was, but 40 years of those exact policies may have had an impact on why people voted to leave.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
People tend to vote for what they think is best for them and there family. The reasons and needs will vary from household to household. To lump them all together and be presumptuous won't prove anything.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I suspect that you're pretty clear about what millions of people that you couldn't see voted on though.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
What drove leave voters that I know was that they could not see the point of the EU. They were not & are not receptive to any rational argument it"s just basically fuck the EU.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What rational argument can you make for why they shouldn't hate the EU?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Well, if it's true that they don't know why they hate the EU, that would be a fairly good reason.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
In my experience - bearing in mind I live in one of the least diverse parts of the UK - the most vocal pro-Leave voices I've heard have been older people who hate Pakis.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Neither of you have really responded to my question. I'll rephrase: what rational argument can you make for why people should support the EU?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
That's not rephrasing. It's a different question. And it's also the wrong one. The correct question is: Why should people not support leaving the EU? And, even if you don't agree with the reasons, you don't really need me to list them, do you?
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TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Well I think it rather falls on you to argue against the status quo?
It's not a matter of being pro-EU, it's the matter of how the economy of this country is now so deeply entrenched within the single market and the customs union. Breaking that isn't a political thing that can be finessed, it's a legal thing. And it is likely to be very, very difficult.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
FUCK YOU man, right now the status quo is indefensible. It's fucking indefensible. And at the best of times the status quo is a pile of fucking shite. So no, it's not on me to argue against the status quo, not that's even what I was doing.
And this is just illiterate stuff. It's international relations, it's politics, it's about more than a set of rules which weren't designed to deal with this situation.
I'll repeat the question: can anybody who think's Brexit is irrational give me a rational argument for membership of the EU?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
This is a different question again!
Please have a think and decide on a definitive question that is one you will accept responses to without saying that they are responses to the wrong question.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't want more borders. Same reason why I opposed Scottish nationalism. The Brexit argument is it exists for this brexit is at root a nationalist one. And a right-nationalist one at that. Fuck that.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Can you answer any variation on it?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Is that intended as an answer to my question?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I answered the first one, and I'm happy to answer again provided I know the question is going to sit still. But also note my above comment: Why should people support the EU? is the wrong question.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes. I like that the Eu has open borders. I would like open borers to be extended and deplore the borders that exist beyond the eu. But withdrawing from these open borders does not open up others. It simply closes these. This is rexit that we're getting not any kind of lexit . Present a rational argument against that.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Yes, that's the one. The Singapore which actively and wholeheartedly promotes business, has no capital gains tax, no inheritance tax, a maximum individual tax rate of 22%, a company tax rate of 17% and only taxes income earned in Singapore. The place where most people have an enthusiastic work ethic and don't spend much of their time moaning about the government. A place where people want to be given the opportunity to earn their own wealth rather than have a part of what others have. The downside is that I often can't get a seat in my favourite Starbucks because loads of students are there doing their homework.
editor
hiraethified
Talk about stupidity. You give several unsubstantiated statement, whilst wanting those who disagree with you to provide substantiation for their opinion. So who's the troll?
Singapore ranks 5th on the United Nations Human Development Index, out of 188 nations. The UK ranks 16th.
Human Development Index 2016 - HDI - Nations Online Project
Explain away that fact.
Maybe you should open your other eye sometimes.
Singapore ranks 5th on the United Nations Human Development Index, out of 188 nations. The UK ranks 16th.
Human Development Index 2016 - HDI - Nations Online Project
Explain away that fact.
Maybe you should open your other eye sometimes.
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"Singapore does not provide basic protection for foreign domestic workers, such as a standard number of working hours and rest days, minimum wage and access to employment benefits. The recruitment fees of domestic workers can be up to 40% of the workers salary in a two-year contract."
Domestic Workers apply for a work visa to come to Singapore. They have to have agreed an employment contract with their employer before their visa is approved. The recruitment fees they have paid has nothing at all to do with the government of Singapore as it is paid voluntarily by the worker in the country of origin. On renewing their contract with their Singaporean employer, no recruitment fee is paid as the contract is renewed in Singapore.
The government of Singapore provides huge benefits to its people in terms of schooling, medical facilities and housing, but it is not the kind of Nanny state that many in the UK desire, and allows people to enter into employment contracts without interference from a Nanny State type of government.
Instead of being so bigoted against Singapore, why not actually do some research and read articles like this one :
Why does Singapore top so many tables?
Domestic Workers apply for a work visa to come to Singapore. They have to have agreed an employment contract with their employer before their visa is approved. The recruitment fees they have paid has nothing at all to do with the government of Singapore as it is paid voluntarily by the worker in the country of origin. On renewing their contract with their Singaporean employer, no recruitment fee is paid as the contract is renewed in Singapore.
The government of Singapore provides huge benefits to its people in terms of schooling, medical facilities and housing, but it is not the kind of Nanny state that many in the UK desire, and allows people to enter into employment contracts without interference from a Nanny State type of government.
Instead of being so bigoted against Singapore, why not actually do some research and read articles like this one :
Why does Singapore top so many tables?
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Yossarian
⏭️
Singapore's "not a nanny state?" I don't know what the fuck you're smoking but it's probably something that would get you quite a few lashes in Singapore.
not-bono-ever
meh
this is shit trollery Larry. Sorry but it’s low low quality
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yeah those lovely "open borders" I mean it's not like the EU pays dictators and authoritarian regimes millions of Euros to stop people coming entering it.
Yep better not upset/disturb those trade agreements. FFS aren't you supposed to be a socialist, or at least a social democrat? These trade agreement's are entirely designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. If you're not willing to throw them out then you might as well go off and sign up with filth like Blair, Mandelson, Obama, Clinton etc.
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
"I like" doesn't really touch rational or logical. Particularly when the EU maintains such a strict border.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
Heading for a retail crash now, just before Xmas.
UK retail sales falter in 'meagre' October, but house prices climb – business live
UK retail sales falter in 'meagre' October, but house prices climb – business live
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
In who's view? No one* on that Guardian feed mentions the word "crash".
*EDIT well no one as of 11 am anyway
*EDIT well no one as of 11 am anyway
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
are we having the january sales in december then?
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