Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[butchersapron]

Nope, but there were less-worse times. And ordinary people weren’t complaining about the EU when the economy was doing better.

Yes they were - people like you just couldn't see or hear them.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Round here in Essex leave land they would have voted to leave anytime in the last 30yrs. This is why the actual referendum campaign didn't really make much difference imo. All anybody wanted was an opportunity to vote leave.

 

[butchersapron]

This is what has caused a lot of the ongoing mental devastation for a certain type of remainer. It's like they've discovered an alien race living in the basement of the house they thought was theirs to do with as they please. These same types also seem to think that house cleans itself, the shelfs stock themselves and all other work is done by magic.

 

[Raheem]

Yeah, whereas the obvious reality is that all work is done by leavers.

 

[DotCommunist]

C2DE was represented heavily in the leave vote yes. But note he says 'certain type' of remainer. Thats not an absolutist thing as your rejoinder suggests. I've heard solid and well argued left remain arguments, I just did not buy them.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, whereas the obvious reality is that all work is done by leavers.

The point wasn't about work being done by leavers but about people who are unable to see the reality of society around them and instead are able to see only themselves. Two different examples - not one.

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[ohmyliver]

- how accurate is this?

 

[Pickman's model]

- how accurate is this?

what's he go on to say?

 

[ohmyliver]

click on the link, you should be able to read it in a browser.

 

[sealion]

And ordinary people weren’t complaining about the EU when the economy was doing better.

Depends on how many ' ordinary ' people you know i suppose. This ^ is patronising crap.

 

[butchersapron]

what's he go on to say?

The pro-eu pro-market oxbridge author went on over 34 related tweets to say that brexit is bad. That being his job.

 

[Pickman's model]

click on the link, you should be able to read it in a browser.

or you could do a screengrab

 

[butchersapron]

Depends on how many ' ordinary ' people you know i suppose. This ^ is patronising crap.

I don't think it's know, i really do think that it's see. People like that don't see people like that on their radar as real people - even when they know them, interact with them.

 

[elbows]

The pro-eu pro-market oxbridge author went on over 34 related tweets to sat that brexit is bad. That being his job.

Indeed. I can only be arsed to quote this one.

 

[Pickman's model]

Depends on how many ' ordinary ' people you know i suppose. This ^ is patronising crap.

shouldn't surprise you, not from whine-ot

 

[butchersapron]

Indeed. I can only be arsed to quote this one.

Interesting to note the daft game people like this are playing - it's positioned as anti-hard brexit, pro-soft-brexit/good for the UK. Then they drop in a few stuff about brexit not needing to happen at all. That was the point of the previous 30 tweets. They really think that they're seeding something. Deluded.

 

[elbows]

The magic word, that he's longing to hear, thats the aim of the fear, oh dear.

 

[ohmyliver]

I'm not actually talking about those bits, I'm talking about things like the UK backtracking on comitments to EU residents, effects of crashing out on radiology, aviation, NI farming, the actual meat of his thread. How accurate is that?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not actually talking about those bits, I'm talking about things like the UK backtracking on comitments to EU residents, effects of crashing out on radiology, aviation, NI farming, the actual meat of his thread. How accurate is that?

Ok, let's start with what meeting he was at. Or was it just a VERY IMPORTANT MEETING in BRUSSELS?

 

[Raheem]

I'm not actually talking about those bits, I'm talking about things like the UK backtracking on comitments to EU residents, effects of crashing out on radiology, aviation, NI farming, the actual meat of his thread. How accurate is that?

I'm not sure anything in that thread is ridiculous, but a lot of it flows from post 19 ("if the UK refuses to pay..."). That's not going to happen.

In other words, yes, if we decide to break off the negotiations at this point, we are obviously fucked unless we try to abandon the whole thing. But this relies on an assumption.

 

[elbows]

Ok, let's start with what meeting he was at. Or was it just a VERY IMPORTANT MEETING in BRUSSELS?

I'll start with what he wrote in the Guardian a month ago.

An extension to article 50 could enjoy broad public appeal. When leave voters see that in the transition we will pay the same money and follow the same rules, they may also want the government to retain the same voice. Remain voters, and indeed MPs, will be tempted by the additional prospect of a parliamentary vote or second referendum which offers meaningful options. Such a vote can only take place before we leave.

A deferred cliff-edge is still a cliff-edge – and as we navigate that ruinous path, extending article 50 alone guarantees the antidote. If we are to leave the EU, we must do so when we are ready and not a day before. It is the only pragmatic and patriotic path available.

Forget ‘transition’. We must stay in the EU until a deal to leave is agreed | Jonathan Lis

 

[butchersapron]

I'll start with what he wrote in the Guardian a month ago.





Forget ‘transition’. We must stay in the EU until a deal to leave is agreed | Jonathan Lis

He's pretty clearly gone to a pro-EU meeting - a VERY IMPORTANT ONE and spun it out like he's been sitting on negotiations. His spinning is inconsistent (a danger for all spinning things) as he tries to scare us with a tweet saying the letter of A50 is going to be enforced by the EU. But also that an unprovided for extension and an unprovided for revocation of A50.

 

[elbows]

With his delusional comments about 'broad public appeal' I really wonder who he thinks he is preaching to.

 

[SpackleFrog]

There's another side to the 'net contributor' story. The UK isn't the only net contributor and isn't the biggest net contributor, and when you visit the net receivers, you see countries that have in many cases come a long way in a short time. The money isn't just pissed away. Nobody seems to want to talk in a generous way about giving to the EU, the long-term benefit of which is a more prosperous Europe (which would result in the net contributors' bills coming down).

I generally like what you have to say on other subjects but this is just daft - more prosperous Europe? The Eurozone is crisis ridden and increasingly unstable, a result of neoliberal policies. The EU will continue to use member states contributions to enforce the rule of the market on Europe, particularly in the peripheral debt laden economies where ECB money will be used to provide loans to member states on the condition they continue with ruthless programs of austerity and privatisation. Who do you think that creates a more prosperous Europe for?

If I said the Tories economic policies were disastrous you wouldn't bat an eyelid, but you seem utterly blind to the actions of the ECB, the Council of Ministers, the Commission and the direction of travel of the whole institution.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Nope, but there were less-worse times.

Do you mean the times where growth was driven by de-regulation, privatisation and financialisation? Or the times before the EU when we had social democratic governments?

 

[elbows]

With his delusional comments about 'broad public appeal' I really wonder who he thinks he is preaching to.

Apparently the answer is Leeds.

 

[elbows]

The website of the organisation he works for is a right barrel of laughs.

Issue-led data-driven insight

Influence is an advisory and advocacy service that combines EU expertise and sentiment measuring to give your business a leading edge.

Influence advises businesses on how to profit from markets access in a changing political, legal and economic environment.

Influence gathers the best EU experts in the United Kingdom, Belgium and France.

Home - Influence Group

Jonathan read English at Trinity College, Cambridge before completing a Masters degree in social sciences at the London School of Economics.

In 2012, Jonathan became the senior assistant to Charles Tannock MEP, the Conservative coordinator on foreign affairs and human rights at the European Parliament.

Following a period working for the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation, Jonathan began working with British Influence, and wrote its pre-referendum report on Brexit and the Commonwealth. Following the referendum, he became Deputy Director, and works on the Brexit process, and its implications for British and European foreign policy, security, and diplomacy.

As part of the organization’s work on the single market, Jonathan conceived of the legal challenge regarding Britain’s apparent automatic withdrawal from the European Economic Area, which is now being brought before the courts.

People

Well at least he got a job out of Brexit

 

[teqniq]

'sentiment measuring' lol.

 

[Winot]

Depends on how many ' ordinary ' people you know i suppose. This ^ is patronising crap.

I meant as opposed to politicians. Could have chosen my wording better.

Historically the EU has come quite far down the list of ‘important issues’ when voters have been polled. I can’t find figures going back further than 2010 but there is a breakdown back to then in this pdf.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...rs-Issues(2)-Most-important-issues-140415.pdf