Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you might like to think of it as no restrictions on movement but it isn't really is it. can you think of a couple of restrictions placed on freedom of movement between say the uk and france now?
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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pocketscience
Well-Known Member
tbf, as an EU citizen you do have freedom of movement in the EU countries. But the freedom stops when the EU citizen stops his or her "movement".
So, great for hobos or nomads but crap if you want to actually stop moving and take up residence anywhere. Most EU nations are full of restrictions when it comes to "freedom of residence". Way more than the UK.
So, great for hobos or nomads but crap if you want to actually stop moving and take up residence anywhere. Most EU nations are full of restrictions when it comes to "freedom of residence". Way more than the UK.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Do you really think that there should be no restrictions on people from Africa, India, Asia and South America moving to UK and setting up shop here? A couple of billion immigrants may increase the waiting times at your local GP.
You have freedom of movement but this doesn’t mean no restrictions. For example, you generally can’t claim various types of government services (eg unemployment benefit) on immediate arrival as well as your noted restrictions in residence.
Then there are the practical restrictions, such as needing to show (and thus own) a passport.
Philosophical is arguing in favour of something that doesn’t exist but also ring-fenced in any case to a small proportion of the world’s population.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not to mention that you can't just up and off, to get from here to france or germany you have to show a passport at least once.
newbie
undisambiguated
Residence is tied to economic activity, isn't it? The richest can do what they want, but for the rest, those with FoM are entitled to get a job and with that comes qualification for residence. Those without can't. Neither can expect to live off the fat of the land without restriction, although some places allow more access to eg benefits, health or education provision than others, but only for those with FoM.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Abstract appeals to or demands for freedom of movement without the same for the concrete foundation which would make it possible, that is, economic equality - is just so much guff. A simple rhetorical stick with which to beat supporters of a situation you don't support and to hang them with the whiff of racism. It's pretty disgusting actually.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I disagree. Taking back control is used frequently by brexiters
who have no access to my imagination. One extension put out there is 'taking back control' of UK law making.
Finally enough I went to Paris on Eurostar last week. We were checked, and paperwork monitored.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I am afraid I do.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
when i say i'm a reluctant remainer i mean i'm a reluctant remainer. a brexiter is different. do you read my posts before making things up?
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
indeed... I should have mentioned the prerequisite of owning a passport to be a hobo/ nomad enjoying the wonders of FoM in the EU.
So the reality is, that living an unrestricted life under "Freedom of Movement" generally means no home, no job, no health insurance and none of the other shit that Renton mentions at the start of Trainspotting
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
If you genuinely think the UK would be better for an additional 2 billion inhabitants then you are more moronic that even the previous six months or so posts have shown you to be.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Apologies for messing up my quoting and suchlike on here.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Did I say the UK would be 'better'?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There are quite a few other posters on here you are going to have to label as moronic too.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's the least of the things you should apologise for.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Open borders people are moronic, happy to label them as such.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there is no way those bookshops will ever reopen
Calling other people moronic is the primary purpose of this website. You moron.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
None of whose antecedents could have got here without either a small fortune of personal cash or state aid from the UK, of course.
Do you have the first clue how to follow the thread of what you are arguing?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
1962, not 68, but yes, the idea that having an open border with a large chunk of the world would lead to millions (or billions as suggested) coming here (flooding here, perhaps?) is idiotic. There was net emigration from Britain in much of that time.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
They will say that you are racist because you support the EU's racist border policies and that you are a fan of death camps, you don't care about people drowning in the Med, etc. etc.
Supine
Newt Member
Don't forget Greece. You must always mention Greece!
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Cost of Tunis to London today:
Can you see what may have changed in the past 70 years?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tell me more
Yossarian
⏭️
What did it cost to go from Riga to Grimsby in steerage in 1890?
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Greece! Not something the remainers shout about, is it.
Greece was never bailed out – it remains a debtor’s prison and the EU still holds the keys | Yanis Varoufakis
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