Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
About 46.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It’s all over, then?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I like Ode to Joy as a tune. Worked beautifully with Die Hard.
They were given away free.
Same last year
i wonder how much that cost Soros and his goons
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Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Source please?
Wave the Union flag and you're clearly an imperialist cunt who touts the theft of land and destruction of peoples as a good thing. IMHO. So not many takers, apart from the British state, oddly enough.
gosub
~#
Are they just trying to get a word to take over from Quizling?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Boris Johnson, using his legendary tact (and fucking idiocy), says the EU has the UK constitution in a 'suicide vest':
Tories condemn Boris Johnson for Brexit 'suicide vest' remarks
Wonder if there's a chance of the wingnut wing of the Tory Party ending up supporting a 2nd vote? That would be on 'chequers v swivelling version', not 'chequers vs stay in' of course *. But with unions edging Labour towards supporting something akin to '2nd vote if there isn't a meaningful parliamentary vote'... interesting times.
Fwiw, I don't think either of those things will actually happen, we'll end up leaving with May getting a parliamentary vote on some soggy compromise. I've always thought that would happen and that May would survive, but there do seem like signs of something different emerging about the whole process.
* Which they would lose of course, but threatening it and the turmoil it would cause could be used to increase pressure on may.
Tories condemn Boris Johnson for Brexit 'suicide vest' remarks
Wonder if there's a chance of the wingnut wing of the Tory Party ending up supporting a 2nd vote? That would be on 'chequers v swivelling version', not 'chequers vs stay in' of course *. But with unions edging Labour towards supporting something akin to '2nd vote if there isn't a meaningful parliamentary vote'... interesting times.
Fwiw, I don't think either of those things will actually happen, we'll end up leaving with May getting a parliamentary vote on some soggy compromise. I've always thought that would happen and that May would survive, but there do seem like signs of something different emerging about the whole process.
* Which they would lose of course, but threatening it and the turmoil it would cause could be used to increase pressure on may.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I heard that one flag was banned.
I’d guess that Johnson was never a big factor in the urban75 constituency, whichever way they leant.
That aside, your point about him doing an about turn is interesting.
I’d say it’s unlikely, way too much of a reversal, he’s in a very dreep trench of his own unprincipled ambition.
But he’s a weasingly fucker. I could imagine him working a several year plan of turning his Brexit tanker ship around. Only, of course, it was self serving.
A soggy compromise needs the DUP to agree to a possible border in the Irish Sea. They're not best known for comprising.
No deal or no Brexit. Or a general election to bypass the DUP, fought on who has the best soggy compromise.
gosub
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Could always threaten to rename it the Welsh Channel.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Reminiscent of the time the house master had us up in front of the whole house for oiling the school cormorant. We were red-cheeked that day, what. Even the creepy boy with the hitler hairdo got an earful.
gosub
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I have insufficient faith in the papers journalism to bother digging out the story to check its veracity, but yes there is a new Editor whom replaced Dacre. Is the old Mail on Sunday editor. Mail on Sunday was on remain side during the referendum
philosophical
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So the ERG group of Tories say a 'maxfax' technological solution will work on the land border with the EU on the island of Ireland.
It does not deal with the movement of people.
It has an unknown cost.
At the very least follow up infrastructure is needed for checks and transgressions.
Any similar technological border is not in existence elsewhere as far as I can tell, Norway and Sweden have been cited yet there are getting on for a quarter of a million vehicle checks per year between those two countries as well as patrols.
Hardly frictionless.
What has been proposed today won't work in my view.
It does not deal with the movement of people.
It has an unknown cost.
At the very least follow up infrastructure is needed for checks and transgressions.
Any similar technological border is not in existence elsewhere as far as I can tell, Norway and Sweden have been cited yet there are getting on for a quarter of a million vehicle checks per year between those two countries as well as patrols.
Hardly frictionless.
What has been proposed today won't work in my view.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Ending 'free movement' has nothing to do with people crossing this or that border, that's not what 'free movement' is, 'free movement' is the ability to move to any member state, rent/buy a house, apply for jobs, access the welfare state etc..
When you end free movement, the border isn't at the road, or a line across a field, or at the beach, it's at the employment agency, the DWP office, the estate agent, the HR Department and the Dr's surgery - none of which require a barrier and a man in a hat.
I don't doubt that there are huge flaws in anything produced by the ERG, but this isn't one of them.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
She hasn't proposed anything yet.
It doesn’t matter how many times you say this to philosophical , he still doesn’t seem to understand it.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Yes I get that. Personal checks and controls (are supposed to) exist elsewhere to try to catch people out.
I am aware of the detention centres and forced deportations that are the end result of formal and random checking.
Such stuff requires resources, and there is the casual off grid sort of economy out there that people gravitate to.
The notion of taking back control of the borders is not particularly in operation of those personal 'borders' can be almost anywhere.
In my example above, notwithstanding similar homeland infrastructures in Norway and Sweden, they still feel the need to do hundreds of thousands of vehicle checks per year on their land border.
In the sensitive circumstances in Ireland that could become troublesome, let alone the provisions of the Belfast Agreement.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i believe theresa may will afford your views, if communicated to her, more time than the short shrift they receive here. now you've an easy way to send them to the prime minister please do so forthwith.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Are you the moderator of this site?
That my viewpoint is treated with distain by many here, seem to be not much different from the variety of reactions to the viewpoint of others.
I have not seen similar 'take it up with the man' advice issued to others.
Or is it an unspoken standing site rule to always contact the authorities rather than posting a viewpoint here?
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