Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SpackleFrog]

The EU didn't impose austerity measures on us - our own elected government did that, uncoerced. Indeed, the EU had no basis on which to so so, as we are not part of the eurozone.

Go back, read the thread properly and quote me if you can. You won't find me saying that Brexit will stop austerity.

Again, for clarity, I haven't suggested that the EU coerced the Tories into carrying out austerity policies or that Brexit will end austerity.

Getting a bit fucking bored here guys tbh

 

[Wolveryeti]

Interesting, care to expand? What kind of UK service exports did you have in mind?

ONS pink book has tge breakdown by sector if you are genuinely interested.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Getting a bit fucking bored here guys tbh

Yeah so am I. You did a protest vote against austerity that has helped make everyone in the UK poorer (now and in future). You don't get the irony but that's ok.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeah so am I. You did a protest vote against austerity that has helped make everyone in the UK poorer (now and in future). You don't get the irony but that's ok.

It wasn't a protest vote. I'm a Socialist - I don't like hyper-disciplinary neoliberal trade blocs. I would never vote to be a member of one. And it hasn't made anyone poorer. Austerity has made the working class poorer and the ruling class richer, but Brexit hasn't happened yet.

ONS pink book has tge breakdown by sector if you are genuinely interested.

I'm well aware of what statistics are available on the ONS website. What I'm genuinely interested in is what you meant. You've got time to be snide so you've definitely got time to explain the following:

Goods (which is what WTO is about) are a sideshow anyway. EU is not going to make any kind of special effort to protect UK service imports into its territory - particularly where it can (and is already) attracting businesses to relocate. That will cost us jobs and is a much bigger deal.

 

[redsquirrel]

I voted Lib Dem and I'm not ashamed of it. If a few more Labour/Lib Dem constituencies had won the picture would have looked completely different. The state we're in is 90% due to Labour/Brown being shit rather than any other reason.

.

 

[bimble]

Wolveryeti I liked you potty post but was too shy to 'like' it.
If you actually have some understanding of what is likely to happen next in practical terms I hope you'll not give up and stop posting.
My brain freezes over when i try to learn about international trade deals and what the wto actually is and how it all works etc.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Wolveryeti I liked you potty post but was too shy to 'like' it.
If you actually have some understanding of what is likely to happen next in practical terms I hope you'll not give up and stop posting.
My brain freezes over when i try to learn about international trade deals and what the wto actually is and how it all works etc.

Wait your turn. Wolveryeti is going to explain why goods trade is a sideshow and why the EU wants to limit British service industry exports to me first!

Goods (which is what WTO is about) are a sideshow anyway.

Actually while I remember the WTO regulations cover goods and services.

 

[Wolveryeti]

It wasn't a protest vote. I'm a Socialist - I don't like hyper-disciplinary neoliberal trade blocs. I would never vote to be a member of one. And it hasn't made anyone poorer. Austerity has made the working class poorer and the ruling class richer, but Brexit hasn't happened yet.

You said:
"I'm against austerity, so I voted to leave the EU and I'm satisfied with the results of that."
How will leaving the EU help, per the reasons you are against austerity?

I'm well aware of what statistics are available on the ONS website. What I'm genuinely interested in is what you meant. You've got time to be snide so you've definitely got time to explain the following:

So we establish you are not really interested and just want to shout FINANCIAL SERVICES BAD

Go on then! FINANCIAL SERVICES

 

[bimble]

Its not just financial services which are bad & should be done abroad somewhere its also trade. Brexit might help reduce trade happening so thats good.

Yes why in the world should we not listen to an international trade negotiator who's negotiated deals worth billions. Who could be against trade.

 

[redsquirrel]

On unions

They are just cartels. Why would you expect a cartel to act according to the social good?

Left wing does not equal kowtowing to every greedy union's demand for more cash, you know.

I'm fed up with the RMT trying to play us for fools with their lies regarding safety and their disgraceful covering up for some of the incompetent shitbags within their ranks. Why they're looking for letters of support from the public is beyond me. They do whatever the fuck they like anyway and chuck their toys out the pram the moment they don't get what they want. Fuck 'em.

Unions can be a progressive force. But not if they throw their toys out of the pram every time they fail to negotiate a pay rise, as was the case under Callaghan.

I wonder why this anti-union prick might support the EU.

 

[Wolveryeti]

On unions





I wonder why this anti-union prick might support the EU.

Selective quoting. Lame. I am not anti unions.

Still, I suppose a slight improvement over your last, pisspoor unfunny edit of my post.

 

[bimble]

redsquirrel can i ask you about your post that i quoted above?
Do you think that reducing the amount of trade that this country does with other countries would be a good thing for anybody that you care about?

 

[redsquirrel]

redsquirrel can i ask you about your post that i quoted above?
Do you think that reducing the amount of trade that this country does with other countries would be a good thing for anybody that you care about?

When did you stop hitting your wife?

Still, I suppose a slight improvement over your last, pisspoor unfunny edit of my post.

I didn't edit any of those posts. They are direct quotes, as can been seen by clicking on the arrows.

 

[SpackleFrog]

On unions





I wonder why this anti-union prick might support the EU.

Wow. Had no idea, hadn't noticed this specimen on the boards before. Thanks for heads up redsquirrel.

You said:
"I'm against austerity, so I voted to leave the EU and I'm satisfied with the results of that."
How will leaving the EU help, per the reasons you are against austerity?


So we establish you are not really interested and just want to shout FINANCIAL SERVICES BAD

Go on then! FINANCIAL SERVICES

That's not what I would have said - what I would have said is that French, Germand and British investment firms and finance houses are so interlinked that the realites are much more complex than domestic balance of payments type situations and with goods.

Anyway, given what redsquirrel has just pointed out, done engaging with you you fucking scab. When you say things like that about a union like the RMT, I've kept really quiet, but I'll tell you something, you went down in my estimation when you said that.

 

[bimble]

When did you stop hitting your wife?

seriously?

You wrote "who could be against trade?
I am asking you about what you wrote. (I've never had a wife).

 

[SpackleFrog]

redsquirrel can i ask you about your post that i quoted above?
Do you think that reducing the amount of trade that this country does with other countries would be a good thing for anybody that you care about?

You didn't ask a question though did you? There's just this:

Its not just financial services which are bad & should be done abroad somewhere its also trade. Brexit might help reduce trade happening so thats good.

 

[bimble]

my question is above.
it says:

Do you think that reducing the amount of trade that this country does with other countries would be a good thing for anybody that you care about?

 

[SpackleFrog]

seriously?

You wrote "who could be against trade?
I am asking you about what you wrote. (I've never had a wife).

He's saying you've asked a question you can't give a truthful/logical/valid answer to. Your question doesn't make sense. We're not talking about whether to trade or not, we're talking about how trade is done. Do you see?

 

[SpackleFrog]

my question is above.
it says Do you think that reducing the amount of trade that this country does with other countries would be a good thing for anybody that you care about?

And as redsquirrel just said, have you stopped hitting your wife?

What kind of trade? On what terms? What are you on about?

 

[bimble]

To be honest SpackleFrog when you asked for the name & address of a 'remoaner" the other day presumably to continue the conversation on their doorstep i kind of lost interest in your arguments.

Squirrel said "who could be against trade?"
So when i read that I thought.. me. I think trade is kind of what people do.

 

[Wolveryeti]

When you say things like that about a union like the RMT, I've kept really quiet, but I'll tell you something, you went down in my estimation when you said that.

I'm in floods of tears here. How could you be so mean?

 

[redsquirrel]

seriously?

You wrote "who could be against trade?
I am asking you about what you wrote. (I've never had a wife).

No you're asking a loaded question based on a misrepresentation of what I said.

 

[SpackleFrog]

To be honest SpackleFrog when you asked for the name & address of a 'remoaner" the other day i kind of lost interest in your 'arguments'.

*shrug* I said something daft on a Friday night around my fifth pint. it's nowhere near as daft as some of the stuff others regularly post here (to say nothing of the bigotry and anti-working class bile from the usual liberal elements) and at least I had the excuse I'd been drinking. Didn't call anyone a Remoaner though that's your addition!

To be honest SpackleFrog

Squirrel said "who could be against trade?"
So when i read that I thought.. me. I think trade is kind of what people do.

Eh? You read that and thought you were against trade? What do people do?

 

[bimble]

No you're asking a loaded question based on a misrepresentation of what I said.

How did i misrepresent you?

you said

Yes why in the world should we not listen to an international trade negotiator who's negotiated deals worth billions. Who could be against trade.

(with trade in italics)

Can you explain what you meant please & how i misrepresented you?

 

[sealion]

Wolveryeti I liked you potty post but was too shy to 'like' it.

 

[redsquirrel]

So when i read that I thought.. me. I think trade is kind of what people do.

And there's no political context to "trade"? Especially not when talked about by people that have ~"done millions of pounds worth of International deals "? When being discussed in the context of the EU, the WTO, TTIP, CETA, NAFTA, etc? Trade is just done?

 

[sealion]

To be honest SpackleFrog when you asked for the name & address of a 'remoaner" the other day presumably to continue the conversation on their doorstep i kind of lost interest in your arguments.

Oooh nasty.

 

[bimble]

Do you think that on the balance of probability anybody you care about will benefit from brexit?
That their lives will be made in some meaningful way less shit by it?

If so please say how.
If you are thinking of your next door neighbour's great great grandchildren that's fine too. How, and why did brexit lead the way to this future sunny upland?

 

[DexterTCN]

*shrug* I said something daft on a Friday night around my fifth pint...

And haven't been man enough to apologise since.

 

[SpackleFrog]

And haven't been man enough to apologise since.

Fair enough mate. I'm sorry.