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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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I think the quote from De Gaulle at the time was that Britain "...must be stripped naked in the negotiation chamber.." and that was on the way IN...with Heath's negotiating position a direct predecessor of the "deal-at-any-price" brigade now - bent over with trousers around ankles.

we can then spend a few decades pouring money into the EU "empire" whilst dishing out managed decline at home ( cf the map of Leave areas ) and now the great & good of our establishment are virtually to a man all lining up eagerly to grab ankles & adopt the position again ...( public school thing ? )

....funny old world as they say....

leaving aside the whole money issue I don't think you particularly need to be a fan of the B-word, let alone May to be less than impressed by the attitude of "the enemy" - sorry "our close valued partners"- snubbing at meetings, giving 5 minutes after dinner to present & generally going in for maximum belittlement - but given all the above who can blame them. Or a Thatcher fan to admit that she was the only UK leader who ever strong-armed anything back via the rebates.
 
Latest YouGov is dismayingly je Bregret rien; last week may have been a blip.

Right to leave - 42%(nc)
Wrong to leave 45%(-2)

Cunts. Not YouGov, the public.
 
fathers4Remain with silas loom wearing a harley quinn outfit. Not the full body jesters onsie, the hotpants
 
But when they turn - as they did on the Tories in 1992 - it will be utterly savage. Sadly, it will be too late.
 
Not read his book though but interesting stuff on his website on a daily basis I find. They did go all out on the Labour annhilation theme in the run up to last GE so it was a bit egg on face afterwards. The article linked to on website today does seem quite believable.
 
That article is appalling. An excellent example of the anti-social crap worshipping at the alter of economics leads to. Certainly suggests he's a cunt.
It is seeing things from a centrist pov, I think which will not be lexiteer's view which could be that we are well rid of the city boys.

Brexit itself can be the battle between right & left wing extremes with the centrists in the middle wringing their hands in despair.
 
I see that Macron is having his larks, suggesting UK is bluffing over the notion of 'no deal'. His intervention is all part of the game, but I suspect he's right. Certainly with regard to May, if not the more swivel eyed. To be honest though, I thought there would have been more mischievous comments from the various EU bods than there have been. Supposed David Davis et al have been so shit there's been no need to play games.
 
It is seeing things from a centrist pov, I think which will not be lexiteer's view which could be that we are well rid of the city boys.

Brexit itself can be the battle between right & left wing extremes with the centrists in the middle wringing their hands in despair.
It's not just centrist, it's a neo-liberal viewpoint. Economics as a neutral science, rather than a deeply destructive political ideology.
 
Latest YouGov is dismayingly je Bregret rien; last week may have been a blip.

Right to leave - 42%(nc)
Wrong to leave 45%(-2)

Cunts. Not YouGov, the public.

I see little point in continuing the debate with bitter whiny liberals when I read stuff like this. It almost, almost makes me want to say "you lost....". But not quite. No surprise you see no future for Britain if the public are cunts and the whole world is just North Korea May Twitter Junker The Government says.

Big challenge, undoubtedly, but bringing down a Tory government and creating a democreatic left shift in British society is the challenge for the future, which requires developing the tools needed to do this. At least this is a fucking vision! Lets go back to 2007 happy land oh yay I like baguettes and Italian wine, on the other hand. How profoundly, profoundly fucking depressing. Can any leftie here not say they would be fucking ashamed to say this to one of their long dead political heroes? I mean Jesus....

No wonder the current left is half dead when this is the brexit vision the TUC etc can only just about get behind. For the rest of us, time for a bit of optimism while the Tories tear themselves appart and even libberals and the right are busy wibbling. We're dooooomed!
 
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I would agree that we can be optimistic that the next majority government will be Labour. I think now the numbers will add up to get Labour voted in. This may well have happened though even with a remain vote & Cameron & Osborne still in charge.
 
I would agree that we can be optimistic that the next majority government will be Labour. I think now the numbers will add up to get Labour voted in. This may well have happened though even with a remain vote & Cameron & Osborne still in charge.

Pessimistic version - Labour gets in as the next majority government just as Brexit shit hits the fan. Voters blame economic collapse caused by Brexit on Labour. Tories get back into power again on basis of mantra of 'Labour cannot be trusted with the economy'.
 
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