Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[pocketscience]

If assumption (a) holds then there is nothing the government or parliament can do. The default is that we crash out. There is no (b) or (c).

unless may resigns / calls an election

 

[pocketscience]

But you may get to a situation where most of the nation are demanding the whole process be aborted because its headed for disaster. And fuck off with this betraying the "working clases of the north" (of which i am one btw) - they didn't all vote brexit (check out the %s in manchester, liverpool, leeds, sheffield etc) . And what about the young working classes? or working classes of london? or scotland? or nothern ireland? Or do you get double points for being a miserable old cunt in a flat cap or something?

And this notion that the working class are "pro-brexit" needs dumping - the biggest brexit demographic were retired home owners

nothing mutually exclusive about working class and a home owner now days.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

And this notion that the working class are "pro-brexit" needs dumping - the biggest brexit demographic were retired home owners

AKA older working class people, many of who own their own house- well, at least the bank does.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

...sorry guys...I would apologise for hijacking the thread but it's ALREADY BEEN HIJACKED BY SWIVEL EYED LOONS WHO KEEP GOING ON ABOUT FACTS WHILE REPEATEDLY STATING UNTRUE THINGS ffs I have never known a political issue reduce so many people's IQ by so much.

Hijack it to fuck, I'm despondent and need amusing

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Plenty of w/c pensioners who own their own homes with mortgages long paid off who had been born 40yrs later than they were would be generation rent now.

 

[stethoscope]

...sorry guys...I would apologise for hijacking the thread but it's ALREADY BEEN HIJACKED BY SWIVEL EYED LOONS WHO KEEP GOING ON ABOUT FACTS WHILE REPEATEDLY STATING UNTRUE THINGS ffs I have never known a political issue reduce so many people's IQ by so much.

Innit. This is precisely what Butchers said a few times about this reaction by mostly Labour moderates and left-liberals.

 

[Poi E]

What, even more so than inside a trade block that forces member states to privatise water? Christ get a fucking brain cell

Scotland's water is in public ownership

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Scotland's water is in public ownership

And the fourth railway package doesn't really exist because France has nationalised industries.

 

[Silas Loom]

Scotland's water is in public ownership

Yeah, it seems to be a bendy banana issue for Lexiteers; the detail of the situation is too boring and too complex for them to grasp.

Basically, don't spin out a utility or have a preferred contractor - even if it is state-owned - and expect to be able to get away without open competition. Do everything yourself and you are fine.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think my favourite one was when someone raised the spectre of the death penalty being introduced. So we have had war, famine, death....what have we on pestilence? I'm sure people can think of something

 

[SpackleFrog]

This is obviously not true. Shit things can happen without them being the government's fault. If Labour were to come to power shortly after Brexit, they would have to deal with whatever the consequences of Brexit are. They might cope relatively well or relatively badly, but they won't be able to just make the consequences not happen.

Getting in the excuses for the inevitable social democratic betrayal early eh?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Scotland's water is in public ownership

No, you're thinking of Ireland. Get it right eh?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeah, it seems to be a bendy banana issue for Lexiteers; the detail of the situation is too boring and too complex for them to grasp.

Basically, don't spin out a utility or have a preferred contractor - even if it is state-owned - and expect to be able to get away without open competition. Do everything yourself and you are fine.

You're in no position to lecture anyone on complexity sonny jim - and you're wrong. Read the Lisbon treaty.

 

[scifisam]

Fine. No working class people voted remain, taking away a load of rules and regulations and a final court of appeal won't make any difference to anybody at all, people who actually argue for this are the clever ones and also up is down, the Pope's a Muslim and bears only shit in non-wooded areas.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I think my favourite one was when someone raised the spectre of the death penalty being introduced. So we have had war, famine, death....what have we on pestilence? I'm sure people can think of something

"Infectious diseases spread across borders and we need to work together, but also develop policies together, to control these diseases and fund large research programmes, and that can only be done within the EU."

Would Brexit compromise the future of UK science?

 

[Yossarian]

Fine. No working class people voted remain, taking away a load of rules and regulations and a final court of appeal won't make any difference to anybody at all, people who actually argue for this are the clever ones and also up is down, the Pope's a Muslim and bears only shit in non-wooded areas.

And if you've got a problem with it, you're a stupid, lying, doom-mongering liberal who will spoil Brexit and wreck the country with the sheer force of your shitty attitude.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

The thread title is speculative so invites speculative posts. As the days & weeks pass events that have occurred & will occur may well change the direction of that speculation. Who knows what is going on behind the scenes? All sorts of consiracy theories could spring to mind. It is understandable that many folk have mixed & confused feelings about brexit whichever way one voted at the time.

To me there is nothing wrong with posting one's current feelings about brexit on this thread. Feelings can change from day to day. One must find optimism from somewhere & I find it from the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour government in possibly the next few yrs. Will it be better than what we have now? I'm prepared to give it a go.

 

[Silas Loom]

Would Brexit compromise the future of UK science?

Brexit has even wrecked Betteridge's law.

 

[DotCommunist]

And if you've got a problem with it, you're a stupid, lying, doom-mongering liberal who will spoil Brexit and wreck the country with the sheer force of your shitty attitude.

In fairness, you might also be an advocate of the tory europhile tendency who thinks the goblins of Tory past have come to destroy any hope of achieving a euro-bloc parity with the other major powers. Although I don't think that anyone of that persuasion posts here

 

[Poi E]

Oh well, at least the right will have a script for doom mongering when Labour come to power.

 

[stethoscope]

I see the neoliberal/pro-market OECD have now weighed into the 'reverse brexit or' threats.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

No, you're thinking of Ireland. Get it right eh?

Irish Water and Scottish Water are both Statutory companies, though it is a shit argument.

 

[Poi E]

The OECD doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Preached austerity for years then reversed that last year when member economies ground to a halt. Suddenly, the idea of government borrowing for infrastructure at record low interest rates became advisable.

 

[Poi E]

Irish water and Scottish water are both Statuatory companies, though it is a shit argument.

A response on a specific point. There exists within the EU water companies in public ownership, and there have been moves towards the remunicipalisation of water supplies in some regions in the EU.

 

[magneze]

I think my favourite one was when someone raised the spectre of the death penalty being introduced. So we have had war, famine, death....what have we on pestilence? I'm sure people can think of something

In order to solve the famine we'll need to import lots of GM crops from the US which will inevitably be riddled with genetic disease that the EU would never let happen.

 

[Raheem]

Getting in the excuses for the inevitable social democratic betrayal early eh?

I'd say it's more that I'm not choosing to delude myself that it's not what would happen, fairly automatically.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

A response on a specific point. There exists within the EU water companies in public ownership, and there have been moves towards the remunicipalisation of water supplies in some regions in the EU.

Aye in Scotland and Ireland. However the EU are forcing Greece to privatize their water, despite the fact cities in Germany have been buying back their water as it was all to fuck.

 

[Winot]

I think my favourite one was when someone raised the spectre of the death penalty being introduced. So we have had war, famine, death....what have we on pestilence? I'm sure people can think of something

Years of plenty followed by years of famine - I would have thought you would have recognised the biblical metaphor.

 

[Poi E]

In order to solve the famine we'll need to import lots of GM crops from the US which will inevitably be riddled with genetic disease that the EU would never let happen.

And they'll introduce that awful "fast food".

 

[magneze]

And they'll introduce that awful "fast food".

Long lunches to be banned.