Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[DotCommunist]

sky will fall, rains of blood, the french cheeses all but a memory


lol famine. Kali Yuga is truly here etc etc

 

[pocketscience]

while EZB bankers sail up the Thames in their yachts, lighting cigars with 100€ notes

 

[DotCommunist]

Geldof's flotilla trailing forlornly behind

 

[pocketscience]

he's one of the lucky ones who'll have fucked off with his irish citizenship to never ending party that is Berlin*.

*fast forward to 2022: in a weird twist of fate, Gedolf organises a flotilla up the Spree, protesting against the newly elected AfD government.

 

[sealion]

Spot on. If poor people haven't benefited during the years of plenty there's no way they will benefit during the years of famine.

So nothing to lose the by voting to leave then. The cabal that is the eu couldn't give a fuck either way.

 

[scifisam]

I most certainly do think it's fine if some peoole in the UK become poorer, sure. I dont believe in trickle down economics.

But if you seriously think that the enormous job losses and massive impact on the poor are swiftly about to materialise then youre kidding yourself. The entire premise of 'no deal' is total nonsense for starter. What, so the day after Brexit hundreds of European companies that ship to the UK will have gone bust and the supermarket shelves will be empty? Let's save this crap for Guardian comments.

I dont see why I don't have the same right to have an opinion just because im working abroad temporarily. Im not some expat cunt who whinges about Britain all the time and hates it. But sure, people do vote with their wallets and anti-Brexit London some possibly have more to lose than the rest of the country over the next 30 years. Maybe.

I won't be retiring for 40 fucking years minimum so that's quite a while to live in a low wage, deskilled economy, reduced social support little no chance of getting onto the housing market without the bank of M&D helping the lucky few.

Take a look at the news in the rest of EU, even from the past week. This is the shoddy direction things are going. Right wing economics and decreasing democracy. The privatised horror vision of 'Brexit Island' is already well and truly in motion everywhere else across the EU.

I do think the economy will get worse, but I really don't know by how much. It could be disastrous or it could just be a bit of a slowdown. But you were proposing a hypothetical, that everyone in the UK would be poorer for years, and you are fine with that.

And yes, you living outside the UK makes a difference. You still have a valid opinion obviously but it's much, much easier to be OK with people being poorer when you're not one of them.

 

[Winot]

So nothing to lose the by voting to leave then. The cabal that is the eu couldn't give a fuck either way.

It will get worse.

 

[Wilf]

Geldof's flotilla trailing forlornly behind

'Give us the fookin' money multi billion pound divorce settlement'

 

[not-bono-ever]

Its classic Nash game theory innit ( or tweaked mechanism theory I suppose) - the stuff that the pointy headed lot love referencing . I am sure that the unelected cabal of gravy train fat cat euro administrators have the best brains in Europe working on game models and likely outcomes to adopt- they have plenty of cash and a lot riding on the outcome of these talks ( more than us I would say). I am not sure what game play we have been running through, but it more Mousetrap or Hungry Hippos than Risk.

 

[sealion]

It will get worse.

I keep hearing this. You poor people don't know what you have done etc etc. I was earning £50 a day labouring on site in 1986, Labourers are getting less today. It has already gotten worse for many under this cabal.

 

[Winot]

I keep hearing this. You poor people don't know what you have done etc etc. I was earning £50 a day labouring on site in 1986, Labourers are getting less today. It has already gotten worse for many under this cabal.

Well I don't know anything about that labour market so I'll take your word for it. And I can understand the 'fuck It - fuck them' response if that's the reality of your position. But that's an explanation for why some people voted the way they did - it's not the same as saying that they''ll be better off after Brexit, is it?

 

[scifisam]

I keep hearing this. You poor people don't know what you have done etc etc. I was earning £50 a day labouring on site in 1986, Labourers are getting less today. It has already gotten worse for many under this cabal.

So fuck it all, may as well make it even worse? I can sort of empathise with that feeling (I'm on disability benefits), but it's pretty illogical.

"This cabal" is one of the reasons I voted remain. A Brexit under Labour would have been a very different proposition. Unfortunately all it's going to do now is give the Tories more power to fuck us all over.

 

[sealion]

Well I don't know anything about that labour market so I'll take your word for it. And I can understand the 'fuck It - fuck them' response if that's the reality of your position. But that's an explanation for why some people voted the way they did - it's not the same as saying that they''ll be better off after Brexit, is it?

You are saying it will get worse for the poor. If you have fuck all and are threatened with losing that, you are still left with the grand total of fuck all. People voted for change because the status quo keeps them where thay are with no hope of anything being different. If something is not working for you, do you keep doing the same thing to try and fix it or try an alternative ?

 

[sealion]

A Brexit under Labour would have been a very different proposition.

Seeing as this (brexit) has never happened before how can you say ? and how can you negotiate with a set up that just wants a large pile of money if you won't play by there rules.

 

[SpackleFrog]

So fuck it all, may as well make it even worse? I can sort of empathise with that feeling (I'm on disability benefits), but it's pretty illogical.

"This cabal" is one of the reasons I voted remain. A Brexit under Labour would have been a very different proposition. Unfortunately all it's going to do now is give the Tories more power to fuck us all over.

Who do you think will be presiding over Brexit? If it happens? It *should* be the Labour Party right - I mean if we don't have an election within a year that'll be because the unions and Corbyn's labour didn't force one.

More power to the Tories? What power do you think they have now? As a result of the Brexit referendum they've torn themselves apart. If we'd voted to stay in you'd be looking at a confident grinning Cameron as PM right now, not May dieing on her arse.

I just don't get this obsession with the idea Brexit will empower the Tories - what the fuck do you think the EU was stopping the Tories doing before? And how do you not see how fucked the Tories are?

 

[not-bono-ever]

I am genuinely torn between economic pragmatism and the remote chance of real societal and structural change emerging from a narsty brexit

Time for me to fuck off out of this thread again

 

[not-bono-ever]

Ps - any option that leads to bloody regicide will get my full backing

 

[Winot]

Ps - any option that leads to bloody regicide will get my full backing

Now that would be an interesting referendum.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

A Brexit under Labour would have been a very different proposition.

A brexit under Labour will be a very different proposition. Lexit in fact. Not that long to wait. Probably well before 2022.

 

[Raheem]

A brexit under Labour will be a very different proposition. Lexit in fact. Not that long to wait. Probably well before 2022.

A Brexit negotiated by Labour would be a soft Brexit. A Labour government that came to power following a no deal Brexit would not be able to deliver on its promises and would be blamed for all the shit. Corbyn would be Britain's answer to Hollande.

 

[Sasaferrato]

sky will fall, rains of blood, the french cheeses all but a memory


lol famine. Kali Yuga is truly here etc etc

OK you sarky git, famine was the wrong word. Hardship isn't though.

 

[stethoscope]

OK you sarky git, famine was the wrong word. Hardship isn't though.

It's like the Tories, and Labour following the same politics, hasn't fucked people over for decades. And yet its suddenly 'brexit' that gets all the liberals concerned for the working class.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

I think there is more than brexit at work here. It does seem like 38yrs of Thatcherism/Blairism has run it's course & there is a genuine appetite for change. I think this would have happened with no brexit & Cameron still as PM but it might have taken a bit longer. I don't think Labour leadership is that bothered about what brexit we get they just want the Tories to fuck it up enough to get a Labour victory at next GE.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ps - any option that leads to bloody regicide will get my full backing

((((reg))))

 

[Wilf]

((((reg))))

 

[Fingers]

Alistair Campbell has only gone and said it....

The time has come for Theresa May to tell the nation: Brexit can’t be done | Alastair Campbell

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Lol. A remainiac's wank dream. It is in the style of the speeches he wrote for his mate Tony.

 

[Yossarian]

I think there is more than brexit at work here. It does seem like 38yrs of Thatcherism/Blairism has run it's course & there is a genuine appetite for change. I think this would have happened with no brexit & Cameron still as PM but it might have taken a bit longer. I don't think Labour leadership is that bothered about what brexit we get they just want the Tories to fuck it up enough to get a Labour victory at next GE.

Yep - I don't see Brexit making all that much difference in the long run, at least not for people lucky enough to not have to worry about residency issues - people will probably be a little bit worse off and the Tories may eventually end up a little stronger, but no massive change. Britain's not going to suddenly turn into Singapore or Albania because of it. The vote that really has a chance to be transformative will be the one on electing a left-wing Labour government, and if that happens I'll be very happy to admit I was wrong about Brexit.

 

[Wolveryeti]

I keep hearing this. You poor people don't know what you have done etc etc. I was earning £50 a day labouring on site in 1986, Labourers are getting less today. It has already gotten worse for many under this cabal.

So the solution is to do something that inflates away the value of that £50 even faster? Strange logic...

 

[sealion]

So the solution is to do something that inflates the value of that £50 even faster?

Everything bad is down to brexit