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Mobilizations Hint at Date and Strategy for Iraq War
2 August 2002

Summary

As the debate over a potential U.S. attack on Iraq continues in Washington and abroad, a subtle increase in the mobilization of Army combat troops is underway. This development offers a hint to the Pentagon's evolving Iraq strategy, with the specific units involved indicating that a conventional attack on Iraq could be slated for January or February, with a major thrust possibly coming from Turkey.

Analysis

According to a July 31 news release by the U.S. Department of Defense, the total number of National Guard and Reserve personnel on active duty in support of the war on Al Qaeda declined over the previous week by 834 people to 79,780 troops. This represents the fifth consecutive week of declines in mobilized guard and reserve troops, with the total mobilized now down to levels not seen since mid-March.

However, while reductions continue in the number of mobilized Air National Guard and Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard Reserve forces, call-ups of Army National Guard and Reserve troops continue to rise. Total mobilized Army forces surpassed those of the Air Force in the week preceding July 24, the first time this has happened since call-ups began Sept. 20, 2001.

Numbers of National Guard and Reserve Mobilized
As Of 2002 Army Air Force Navy Marines Coast Guard Total
01/02
17,952
30,628
9,193
1,492
2,108
61,373
01/30
23,606
33,550
10,008
3,135
1,904
72,203
02/27
25,731
36,723
10,597
4,387
1,831
79,269
04/03
28,615
37,813
10,597
4,398
1,836
83,259
05/01
28,013
37,451
9,629
4,380
1,762
81,235
05/29
31,431
37,404
9,011
4,265
1,635
83,746
06/26
34,478
36,773
8,760
4,096
1,485
85,592
07/31 36,914 30,923 6,882 3,846 1,215 79,780

Source: US Department of Defense

In addition to the shift away from air and naval assets to ground forces, the types of ground forces being mobilized are changing as well. Beginning last September, the Army call-ups concentrated on units such as military police, chemical and biological warfare, medical, mortuary affairs, intelligence and civil affairs.

Mobilization of these units was reactive and primarily defensive in preparation for any potential follow-on attacks by al Qaeda after Sept. 11. Later call-ups included units responsible for logistics and training, some infantry for guarding airports and federal facilities and Special Forces for dealing with contingencies in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Now the mobilization appears to be shifting to include more infantry, armor, artillery, engineer and combat medical units. Moreover, the Army is mobilizing full companies, battalions, and brigades, rather than just individual augmentees or skeleton crews. Major units from the 28th, 35th and 40th Mechanized Infantry divisions, 29th Light Infantry Division and 49th Armored Division have been mobilized.

Some of these are tasked to other missions. For example, the 28th mechanized is slated to deploy to Bosnia for six months beginning in October. But others could be employed in action against Iraq.

Elements of the 35th mechanized are scheduled to deploy to Europe to provide security and force protection to troops based there. Soldiers of the V Corps' 1st Infantry and 1st armored divisions, based in Europe, are contingency forces for the Persian Gulf region. In late March, more than 9,000 soldiers of the V Corps, in conjunction with Army Reserve and National Guard troops, took part in exercise Urgent Victory, which modeled combat in the Gulf region. V Corps troops continue to train, with air units of the 1st Infantry Division currently engaged in live-fire exercises in Hungary.

The deployment of elements of the 35th Infantry Division to Europe presents an interesting scenario. When National Guard and Reserve troops were called up for action in the Persian Gulf in 1990, they received a great deal of criticism for their state of readiness and the condition of their equipment.

One option, should Washington wish to avoid a recurrence of that problem, would be to deploy National Guard and Reserve troops earmarked for an attack on Iraq to large, underutilized bases in Europe, where they could train and link up with vast stocks of pre-positioned equipment. From there they could deploy quietly to Turkey to prepare for an attack.

The trouble is that such a move would require Europe, or at least Germany, to buy into Washington's plans. And the Europeans currently remain highly wary of an attack on Iraq or are outrightly opposed to such a plan

The timing of combat unit call-ups is interesting as well. Routine mobilizations are limited to nine months in duration, meaning the clock is ticking on the involvement of any of the currently mobilized combat units in an attack on Iraq. Interestingly, the current mobilizations suggest a repeat of the Desert Storm timetable. Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 1, 1990, after which the United States began a rapid buildup ahead of its attack on January the next year.

The weather conditions in Iraq are familiar and tolerable for combat in January or February, and action then would allow the currently mobilized troops to rotate home on schedule by the end of March.

Finally, the mobilization of heavy ground combat units indicates the Pentagon's evolving strategy for an Iraq operation. There is an apparent compromise being forged between those in Washington who argue for a high-tech, low-manpower attack -- built around air strikes, Special Forces and Unmanned Air Vehicles -- and those who argue that the Afghan model of fighting will not work in this case.

The Iraqi army is not the Taliban, the ethnic Kurds are no Northern Alliance and it is going to take more than a piecemeal international police force to stabilize Iraq after the war. As yet, there is no indication the Pentagon is planning for a massive ground war akin to Desert Storm. But large numbers of conventional forces are certainly part of the plan. "

This is, IS, a cut and paste job...found this story interesting because it appears to be delibeartely planted disinformation coming from STRAFOR and because it is disinformation must be taken as a put off to the 'enemy' about what is really going on.

For my money I'm betting on 9/11 at dawn but it could start sooner and with some good cause.

Diesel

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I don't watch cnn...we get everything on FOX News.

I can wait...but can Iraq?

Diesel

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I was watching the history channel on tanks. Now, in the first Gulf War, we kicked ass because of the M1-A tank (I believe thats the name, I can't remember). However, Congress with its wisdom stopped funding so they couldn't upgrade them or keep them up, so I want to know, what the hell will they use now?

I know that the Saudis bought the upgraded version of the tank in 94 or something like that, so I guess we could use theirs.
 
I really doubt that we'll need tanks to excivate Lake Bagdad...this will be a very different war from any other that has ever been fought.

Trust me on that one...I'm quoting from the best!

Diesel

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I don't see "Lake Bagdad" as an option really. Knowing the Geography, and how high it is above sea level, as most I think it would big a very big hole with just the Tigris/Euphrates running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.
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It is desert, if anything it would turn to glass. One big nice sheet of glass.
 
rhod, yeah, it really does...FOX is pretty liberal and you get a cranky viewpoint but what do you expect in a country with the media so thoroughly bent to the left?

Elevation for Lake Bagdad isn't a problem because enough 'equipment' will be deployed to make it just deep enough...and with the lovely green glass bottom and fish that glow in the dark it'll be spectacular...no water skiing for a while though.

Diesel

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Diesel, the war will be totally conventional on our part. US troops may get attacked with biological or chemical weapons.

Rumsfeld has shot down the plans for invasion handed to him thus far saying they were "outdated". Remember, Diesel, we don't hate Iraqis. We don't want to kill the common Iraqi, much less with nukes. We don't want to level the place. That would be easy.

This war won't be over in 3 weeks. Anyone who thinks that totally underestimates the Iraqi army's abilities. Leadership is a question, but they do have a capable army surrounded by pawns. This 'real' army will be nasty when cornered and has nothing to lose. Also they have the benefit of a telegraphed punch and time to make things harder for invaders. Anyone fighting on their home soil has an advantage and this time thay're not being kicked out of a small neighboring country.

Reb, my brother-in-law was a tanker in an Abram. It's awesome what that thing is like...like half robot. It locates targets on its own and waits for permission to kill.
 
Tanks are kuel...never been in an M-1 Abrams but they are definately a better battlewagon than most that are out there.

However, I doubt that tanks will be the issue this time...B-2 bombers with guidance assistance to dumb 2k bombs will!

Iraq is by now the most photographed 'battlefield' on the planet...virtually every address is known to every military officer or politico...there isn't a goat path that hasn't been investigated and examined.

Out of the crimson sky at dawn, 9/11, and without a sound the deadly rain will fall...and it will continue until there is total surrender of the inhabitants...or until they are all gone.

Yes, we, US, will use bunker busting nukes...BLU-182's, etc.

Iraq will likely attack Israel before 9/11 as a distraction but it won't work...!

As for three weeks...well, three days may be more like it but I never said that! I mean really, just how much time do you expect US to give this pos potenatae under the palm trees in Bagdad?

Diesel

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I don't see it as being that simple. One, we are dealing with having to remove people from power, and two, we'll have to fight to the very end the loyalist, hard corps army that will defend Saddam from house to house.

No matter how well a location gets bombed, it takes ground troops to ensure that location no longer belongs to the enemy.

The Iraqis (army) are not stupid people. They obviously learned lessons from the Gulf War. Some of those lessons were how not to embarrass yourselves by your general abandoning the troops. I'd bet Saddam puts only hard corps leaders in those positions now. Also they have a very much better air defense than 12 years ago.

This will be a defensive war for them, making their strategy a lot easier. Also, our brass is obviously planning to fight on into the spring when the weather is as good as it's going to get. It will take time to remove the Iraqi army from city to city.

Iraq is also playing the international community for what it can. If I was in charge there, I'd tell the weapons inspectors to come on over and check things out, leaving the US looking as if it doesn't care about that, of course, I'd make sure there was no evidence of nuke stuff around. Attacking Israel beforehand would work against popular opinion and would be bad for Iraq. The best thing they can do is to try to look innocent and helpless. After the war starts they'll attack Israel (a country against the war so far).

As good as the M1 A1 Abram is, it's yesteryear's tank from what I saw on a show on tv about new weapons. The army is testing a new tank. It has a much lower profile than the M1 and is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. I don't know much else about it.
 
I don't care what tanks or what bombs , smart or otherwise, I just wish they'd get on with it and remove saddam and co the left will squeal for a few weeks about the nasty ole US of A (and UK if poodle blair plays as well) then life will go on.......just like in Afghanistan.

PTS
 
The people of Iraq would never accept an American imposed ruler because Saddam husseins a bastard but America's still starving them to death, bombing them etc. a war on Iraq would destablise the entire region.
 
Originally posted by Karl
The people of Iraq would never accept an American imposed ruler because Saddam husseins a bastard but America's still starving them to death, bombing them etc. a war on Iraq would destablise the entire region.

I think they will. You must not foget that saddam is starving, bombing and gassing ethnic minorites in his country.

PTS
 
Ethnic majority in the case of the Shi'a, actually - they're 60% of the population.

Anyway, they might be happy to see Saddam go but there is no way in hell they'll stand for a puppet government.

If the USA is so absent-minded as to try to install one, expect to see another Islamic Revolution.

Why do you think the Shah was kicked out, after all?
 
I agree, Jan/Feb 2003 for the ground war, but the bombing by cruise and stealth will start long before that, probably Sep/Oct.

BP
 
"This 'real' army will be nasty when cornered and has nothing to lose. Also they have the benefit of a telegraphed punch and time to make things harder for invaders."

They ran last time. Why should this time be different. I haven't heard that their air defences are better. How did they buy the stuff with the embargo?

I think many people in Iraq hate Saddam. Just think how angry we get with our politicians when they increase our taxes by 5%.

How would a people feel about their leader when his policies mean that you must watch your children starve?
 
Now, pay attention to what Rumsfield said: "...This will be like no war ever fought anywhere ever...!"

We, US, don't have to occupy Iraq...US wants change...in the government there...we already control their economey and oil production.

There is no credible reason to send in the ground pounders even after the bombing begins...from 60k' + feet every single target will be hit and destroyed or disrupted beyone further use...the house of virtually every military officer is targeted...likewise evey 'royal palace' and military instilation or imagined or real factory producing war material.

What happens next will be up to a number of factors...whether Iraq imagines itself to be a 'power' after the bombing...or a new regime announces itself whild expressing a 'new' veiw of the universe for all to see...!

And of course there is also the matter of lovely glass bottomed Lake Bagdad...truly the 8th wonder of the world!

Diesel

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JC2, rule; 'don't ask a question unless you have the answer!' Yes...!

Indeed, who said anything about it being conventional bombing?

Bunker busting clean nukes from 60k' is hardly conventional!

Diesel

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"JC2, rule; 'don't ask a question unless you have the answer!' Yes...!"

That would be the 'mouthpiece rule'?

US troops even went into Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
"They ran last time. Why should this time be different."

Because there won't be anywhere else to run. Even when the large majority of the army is made useless, the ones closer to Saddam will be pretty tough. I can't see them giving up. We'll just have to see.

I heard last night, in fact, that their air defence is actually one of the best in the world. I don't know the details but for the past decade they've been upgrading and making it more high tech. I'm sure a google search would have more on this.
 
In the last days of Germany, the German soldiers stripped off their uniforms and put on civilian clothes. There is always somewhere to run to. In the case of an army, they can 'run' to they anonymity of civilian life.

As for the few around Saddam, you're probably right. Their fortunes and lives are tied to him. But I bet that the number of such people isn't that large. And what that means is that the final part of the job will be hard, not impossible.
 
I don't see "Lake Bagdad" as an option really. Knowing the Geography, and how high it is above sea level, as most I think it would big a very big hole with just the Tigris/Euphrates running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

Can I just point out that thousands of civilians are likely to be killed over the coming weeks, months and years.

So, if I wasn't stoned, I'd probably be hurling explitives at you for being such a sick fuck.

But I am, so I'm not.

Plus you're banned. :D
 
Hiroshimo & Nagasaki were not target specific...and it was our intention to occupy and control the Japanese empire...Iraq is different...we already control them it is just a matter of changeing their leadership...to one we like.

Diesel

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Before 'bringing democracy' to Iraq, might it not be a good idea to 'bring democracy' to the US? This puppet president, who was foisted on the American people against their better judgement really is getting a bit too uppity for his clubfooted little boots, and is in serious danger of getting a bloody nose in the world playground.

Anyway, can he really expect his military buddies to rally round a guy who spent much of his military service AWOL?
 
rhod, democracy has nothing to do with it...we, US, don't give a fart in a windstorm about the kind of government they have in Iraq. islamics have the kind of government they deserve so far be it from me to suggest 'that' kind of change.

Excivation plans continue...soon the work on Lake Bagdad will begin...noone has seen such a large glass bottomed lake before and it is awaited with anticipation.

Diesel

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islamics have the kind of government they deserve

Yeah, I know, bunch of brain-washed, inbred, obese, flag-waving gun-nuts, aren't they...

Oh.. shit, that ain't 'Islamics' actually, is it? :eek: :p

noone has seen such a large glass bottomed lake before and it is awaited with anticipation.

Lots and lots of innocent people are going to die, Diesel. :(
 
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