J Ed
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Nah, they reckon it's universal which is one of the main problems with it. Belarusian factory workers, check your white privilege!
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Nah, they reckon it's universal which is one of the main problems with it. Belarusian factory workers, check your white privilege!
Any source for that? It sounds very unlikely.
butchersapron
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It's the whole point of the thing, that's it universal - that's how it so all pervasive.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
so, in summary, Intersectionality is:
I mean, really.
- a series of trite binaries
- reducing the complex spectrum of human experience to some bad labels that we should all wag our finger and tut-tut at
- a shouty all-placard-no-practice political profile, somehow hoping that lived experience can be fitted to slogans just by shouting a lot and fapping out 2,000 words of unreadable guff, daily, on a blog
- the latest mechanism by which white middle class students and liberal academics can somehow delude themselves that they are "on the right side" in a sharply polarising world
- a theory and set of notions founded purely in western universities and by fellow-travelling commentariat, with little profile or application outside those marginal subsets of the Venn diagram
- an oh-so-convenient "cutting edge" platform on which to build an academic career (the fact that it seems to be regurgitated identity politics shite from the worst of the 1980s won't matter, if it attracts research funding and Masters fees)
- the "professionalising" of notions of privilege by, er, privileged professionals
- a hilarious inversion of actual vs imagined significance
- a further means of shutting down debate in terms of shrieking disapproval of some "heresy", rather than engaging with the content of said alleged heresy.
I mean, really.
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mine was initially gleaned from people that use it incessantly irl as well as on twitter.at one point got privilegechecked for calling a rapist a cunt
i know *one* person who seems to be able to use it in a rational, understandable, and non-bellendish way.
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BigTom
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My knowledge is mostly from the practice of people who call themselves intersectionalists. It's what the academic theory of intersectionalism has become in practice. I'd say it's probably more important than the academic writings themselves - and it's often discussed and practiced online.
butchersapron
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How would you know - unless you're going to furnish us with your list and where the errors of others lie.
I think people should make this explicit in criticism.
The picture that is painted of intersectionalism is so absurd that I make the assumption it's a parody. A brief google seems to back this up.
Are you not going to give me a list unless I give you a list?
butchersapron
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No, i'm going to pretty much point out that your post essentially said you're all thick ignorant bluffers aren't you (and this mere minutes after suggesting the analysis offered by prominent proponents of intersectionalism is not meant to be viewed as universal). Now, if you're setting yourself up as the go-to-expert - as you must in order yo have made the post - then let's see credentials. All i've seen from you so far is the usual confusion.
Sorry if I was a bit off.
I was sceptical that intersectionality sees things as universals. Nobody has so far provided anything to back up this claim.
I just think, of course this type of thing matters. Why are most anti-fascists/ hard-left/ anarchists white? It's something I've always wondered.
Nigel Irritable
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The "seminal" intersectionalist writings are by Kimberle Crenshaw and Patricia Hill Collins. Whatever else can be said about their views, their articles are much more nuanced in analytical terms than twitter/tumblr intersectionalism, certainly. It could hardly be otherwise.
They are US academic left liberals, whose writings deal particularly with the experience of black American women and have little bearing on "intersectionality" as it exists in activist circles and on social media. And even less so on "intersectionality" as it has trickled down to British intersectionalists, who tend to be rather a long way from the experience of Black American women. They are however occasionally nodded towards as the originators of the term as they make for better seeming ancestor figures than the pair of white dudes who came up with the other part of the package, privilege theory.
(See also: the Combahee River Collective, the people intersectionalists/privilegists of the more radical variety, really, really wish had invented the terminology.)
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
This is a very crude form of argument and all too common amongst intersectionalists/privilegists: either you accept their particular theoretical framework or you mustn't think "these issues" are important.
It's because a lot of people think these issues are important that they are unwilling to accept any half thought through theory as valid.
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Intersectionalism seems to be asking questions rather than supplying answers.
Doesn't the idea of respect for equality and diversity provide a solution? I'm not sure what that approach is called.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Also, there needs to be a modified progressive stack for outside the front door/s when out trick-or-treating.
J Ed
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I can give you a link to a blog by a Sheffield intersectionalist who calls people with Mohawks in the UK racist if that helps.
Or if you want there is stuff accusing Muslim liberals/non Salafis of Islamophobia for criticising Salafism. This is from non Muslim intersectionalistas and also the SWP.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It seeks to do both.
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Yeah, would be good to see them if you don't mind. Thank you.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
So basically, intersectionalism is a collection of god-awful catchphrases*. I'm particularly intrigued by 'manarchy', 'brocialism' and 'nice guy syndrome' though. Could you explain what these are exactly?
*man-awful cockphrases
J Ed
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Zombies first cos they are non white (green) and suffer from food oppression (they have to eat people, can get v expensive)
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i've also seen a few on some of the blogs calling people anti-semites and telling tem to check their privilege for criticising zionism
food oppression lol. is that real or did someone on this thread make it up?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I suppose if someone was forced to break kosher or halal cos of a regime like say in a jail where they were cunts it could be so. But surely that would just count as religious persecution
revol68
what, fucking what?
Makes you wish for good old fashioned Radical Feminists, you know where you stand with them, men are the enemy not allies, which is bullshit but flows from their premises. These 'intersectionalists" wax lyrical about all oppressions being linked then chant "kill all men", would that include gay, black, asian, disabled and trans men? The most offensive thing about these cretins is their inability to make two logical steps let alone weave us a complex analysis based across a multi dimensional matrix of oppression.
