I think some people drawn into the 'stop the boats' nonsense would expect to see a far greater decrease in immigration than is represented by that figure, yes.
It is a lot of people to be taking such a risk, but it is the summer peak. The average is around three-quarters of that which is still a large number of people risking their lives.You don't think?
I think that's a massive number of people risking death every week in Channel crossings alone.
I known the arguments for why people want to come to the UK, but I do struggle to understand why people take this amount of risk to get to this fucking shithole. Guess it is just because I'm already here.It is a lot of people to be taking such a risk, but it is the summer peak. The average is around three-quarters of that which is still a large number of people risking their lives.
you’re a good lad, but I don’t think you’re that much of a draw.. Guess it just because I'm already here.
As I said upthread, once you’re in Calais there’s not really much option. It’s a terrifying nighttime boat ride or spend weeks eating one meal a day getting beaten to shit by the CRS during the day and chased out of tents at nights. From ppl I’ve spoken to, some will actively want to come to the UK, but many others will have tried Germany, Italy, France and this is the last option.I known the arguments for why people want to come to the UK, but I do struggle to understand why people take this amount of risk to get to this fucking shithole. Guess it just because I'm already here.
Spend a weekend in the camp in Calais after leaving your home in Albania, then have another guess.I known the arguments for why people want to come to the UK, but I do struggle to understand why people take this amount of risk to get to this fucking shithole. Guess it just because I'm already here.
There is also the fact that I'm an immense coward.Spend a weekend in the camp in Calais after leaving your home in Albania, then have another guess.
(I know you know this. But as much as the UK is a shithole to us, you know…relative).
"Stop the boats" is just a slogan.
That's not the only immigration they want stopped.
So why do we never hear rhetoric about foreign students, care workers, or those coming from Hong Kong or Ukraine? Stopping the boats would barely make a dent in net migration.
Stopping the boats is a slogan the government is quite happy with because they want migration to prop up university funding and prevent the care system collapsing and they can obscure that by whipping up hatred against the smallest and most vulnerable group of migrants.
So why do we never hear rhetoric about foreign students, care workers, or those coming from Hong Kong or Ukraine? Stopping the boats would barely make a dent in net migration.
Stopping the boats is a slogan the government is quite happy with because they want migration to prop up university funding and prevent the care system collapsing and they can obscure that by whipping up hatred against the smallest and most vulnerable group of migrants.
Possibly. Although it was the previous government’s slogan. Not sure we’ll see much more of it from this one.
Home Office ministers have promised a "large surge" in returns flights for failed asylum seekers and others with no right to be in the UK. Plans include 100 more new intelligence officers to target people smuggling gangs and reopening immigration removal centres in Hampshire and Oxfordshire, adding 290 beds. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said she wanted to introduce a "better-controlled" system to replace "the chaos that has blighted the system for far too long". The Conservatives said Labour were "not serious about tackling the people smugglers or stopping the boats".
Which followed Starmer saying at an event hosted by the S*n:They might not be using the same slogan, but they are certainly continuing the focus on illegal immigration
Ministers pledge to return more illegal migrants
I think its really important to stress that asylum seekers are not ‘illegal immigrants’. That’s a right-wing (and plain false) framing and plays completely into their hands. The 1951 UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees is clear on this. Anyone has the right to seek asylum in any country which has signed the Convention and remain there until their claim has been assessed. The Convention also states a that people may have to use ‘irregular’ means to claim asylum in another country. The blame for this should land squarely at the feet of governments, not the people seeking asylum.
e2a - I am yet to see any evidence that people crossing the channel in boats are not asylum seekers. I’m sure there are small few who risk it for other reasons, but the way boat crossings have been made synonymous with ‘illegal’ migration seems to be an attempt to undermine the validity of asylum seekers’ claims to sanctuary.
The UK is not seen to be a shit hole. Indeed, it's not. It may be comparatively less rich in relation to its former colonies than it was in the past but it still a very attractive place to live for a very large number of people. Living in Italy I am constantly asked why I don't live in the UK anymore, and to many it just doesn't compute. Why would I leave? Britain isn't seem as a place young people "need to" leave from, you'd only leave if you're rich and retired. So the idea that anyone does is baffling to most, unless the destination country is even better off, e.g.the USA or Australia.
I mean, I definitely take the general point here, but is it not the case that the last government did end up attacking foreign students and so causing a bit of a crisis across a lot of HE? For instance:So why do we never hear rhetoric about foreign students, care workers, or those coming from Hong Kong or Ukraine? Stopping the boats would barely make a dent in net migration.
Stopping the boats is a slogan the government is quite happy with because they want migration to prop up university funding and prevent the care system collapsing and they can obscure that by whipping up hatred against the smallest and most vulnerable group of migrants.
Labour’s education secretary has confirmed that the government does not plan to lift visa restrictions imposed on international students by the previous Conservative administration
Who would want loads of money, a subsidised education system and a bunch of skilled workers eh? In its way its as big a self-inflicted wound as the Tory approach to Brexit.The response by the centre politicians
Tory visa restrictions on international students won’t be reversed, says Labour
International student visa restrictions were introduced to prevent most international students bringing dependents with them to the UKwww.independent.co.uk
- a large surge in enforcement and returns flights, with the aim of putting removals at their highest level since 2018, reversing the damaging drop in enforcement over recent years
Alongside this, the government is increasing detention spaces to support the higher pace of removals including reopening and adding 290 beds across Immigration Removal Centres (IRCs) at Campsfield and Haslar. This increase will ensure there is additional capacity to facilitate higher levels of enforcement and returns so that rules are properly respected.
Building on 9 successful returns flights in the last six weeks, including the largest-ever chartered return flight, the government is redeploying personnel and resources to support further activity.
Please do this. You’re able to. And it’s necessary and interesting.I totally agree. What’s a crying shame is that a lot of it isn’t actually all that difficult to grasp, really. The whole field is crying out for somebody to write it up as accessible pop science, in the same way that mainstream psychology has been popularised as self-help pap.
I really wonder why, given all that's been out on this thread that immigration controls exist, that some think a conversation of immigration is still required.
And if you don't see the point of one your out of touch.
Confused
Even more confused