I joined the Labour Party...

[sunnysidedown]

There's nought like a pedestal
to sacrifice ones gods

 

[William of Walworth]

Go labour! Get out there and turn that into victory!

I think every second thursday in the month is going to bore the arses off you all.

Those dull-as-shit 'meetings' didn't do a lot for my staying awake either, about 25 (?) or so years ago. At least we got into the pub later ... very much later ...

Why the fuck were those meetings not held in pubs?

And I was the fucking branch secretary for 18 months ... ... circa 1991/1992!

(Dropped out of membership pretty soon after Blair ... before 2000/not too long after 1997, for sure ... genuinely can't remember exactly when)

Not rejoining.

 

[discokermit]

Go labour! Get out there and turn that into victory!

I think every second thursday in the month is going to bore the arses off you all.

183,000 people joined. do you not think there is an opportunity here?

 

[butchersapron]

183,000 people joined. do you not think there is an opportunity here?

Not in the labour party no.

 

[mauvais]

My CLP won't even entertain my own appetite for boredom - no reply to emails. Makes no odds as they have about as much chance of electoral victory here as on, say, Neptune. Similarly blue.

 

[discokermit]

Not in the labour party no.

mebbe, but that's 183000 people, lots of them young, lots of them new to politics, who are receptive to left wing ideas. don't you think getting involved and putting your ideas over to them might be an idea?

 

[sihhi]

mebbe, but that's 183000 people, lots of them young, lots of them new to politics, who are receptive to left wing ideas. don't you think getting involved and putting your ideas over to them might be an idea?

Joining the Labour Party means that whatever comes out of someone's mouth, in practice it means putting over Syriza-lite politics.

It will lead in circles, though the same could be said of much of the rest of us cobwebs.

 

[butchersapron]

mebbe, but that's 183000 people, lots of them young, lots of them new to politics, who are receptive to left wing ideas. don't you think getting involved and putting your ideas over to them might be an idea?

Yeah, but not in the labour party.

 

[discokermit]

It will lead in circles, though the same could be said of much of the rest of us cobwebs.

circles would be better than constant retreat or ossification.
it's where the youth are going. it's where ordinary working class people are going.

 

[butchersapron]

circles would be better than constant retreat or ossification.
it's where the youth are going. it's where ordinary working class people are going.

What youth you mixing with?

 

[discokermit]

What youth you mixing with?

none since the court order.

 

[butchersapron]

circles would be better than constant retreat or ossification.
it's where the youth are going. it's where ordinary working class people are going.

Where is the single thing this has stopped or could help to stop retreat? And what of it isn't just the usual left appeal to fight back that existed before?

 

[butchersapron]

none since the court order.

All about remote cams now. But, that's for another thread.

 

[discokermit]

Where is the single thing this has stopped or could help to stop retreat? And what of it isn't just the usual left appeal to fight back that existed before?

i have no idea. all i know is, that's where folks is, and if you want any input, that's where you is.

 

[butchersapron]

i have no idea. all i know is, that's where folks is, and if you want any input, that's where you is.

It was all the time that you said it wasn't too then.

 

[discokermit]

It was all the time that you said it wasn't too then.

different party, different people, different situation with different possibilities.

 

[butchersapron]

different party, different people, different situation with different possibilities.

Too easy, too glib. If you're going to throw all the things that you believed in overboard then you have to do it a bit better than that. esp if you're going to use your analysis of 'new times' to have a pop at people who don't agree because they're not part of the new class-coalition or whatever it is and so are anti-w/c then. Not part of the new progressives.

 

[butchersapron]

If this stuff does creep up day by over the next years then top-cats tags will be correct. It moves from a defence of the choice to defence of the party to attacks on people who don't agree to defence of your own position in the party. I've saved some of you a decade. Don't do it.

 

[butchersapron]

Non-labour members already being rhetorically cut out as not part of the w/c. Not in communion.

All the new members i've seen have been stalinists and teachers.

 

[discokermit]

Too easy, too glib. If you're going to throw all the things that you believed in overboard then you have to do it a bit better than that. esp if you're going to use your analysis of 'new times' to have a pop at people who don't agree because they're not part of the new class-coalition or whatever it is and so are anti-w/c then. Not part of the new progressives.

hang on a minute, it was you having a pop with yopur reaction to the membership numbers.
maybe it is glib and easy, i'm not gonna give you anything more than that cos i don't have anything more than that.
i haven't thrown anything overboard, i still know the limits of social democracy, keynesianism, etc. and if i join i'll be quite open about it. and maybe i can persuade others. maybe not.
i see no real alternative though that isn't the same shit and irrelevance and banging your head against a brickwall as the revolutionary left has been coming out with for years with nobody listening.

 

[DotCommunist]

All the new members i've seen have been stalinists and teachers.

so thats where the post delta exodus went lol

 

[discokermit]

Non-labour members already being rhetorically cut out as not part of the w/c. Not in communion.

All the new members i've seen have been stalinists and teachers.

get to fuck.
i only know two. my brother and my sister in law. he's a binman and she doesn't work.

 

[butchersapron]

hang on a minute, it was you having a pop with yopur reaction to the membership numbers.
maybe it is glib and easy, i'm not gonna give you anything more than that cos i don't have anything more than that.
i haven't thrown anything overboard, i still know the limits of social democracy, keynesianism, etc. and if i join i'll be quite open about it. and maybe i can persuade others. maybe not.
i see no real alternative though that isn't the same shit and irrelevance and banging your head against a brickwall as the revolutionary left has been coming out with for years with nobody listening.

You have thrown it all overboard - the idea that a non-leninist party is reflection of class interest, that the wider structure cannot be effected by a single parties action, that representative democracy is a cover for capitalist democracy. Or if you haven't. you#re just saying, join, it's shit, we can't do what i promised.

 

[butchersapron]

get to fuck.
i only know two. my brother and my sister in law. he's a binman and she doesn't work.

But when you talk to the w/c you must go through their renewed voice - the labour party. £buillipmnm mebnerssbebrtsfg!!!

 

[discokermit]

my position,

 

[discokermit]

But when you talk to the w/c you must go through their renewed voice - the labour party. £buillipmnm mebnerssbebrtsfg!!!

yeh well, when i'm arguing with people who in response to the refugee crisis are saying ''shoot the fucking niggers'', even that's way, way to the left of where they are.

 

[Orang Utan]

my position,

Are you going to join the Tories then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Non-labour members already being rhetorically cut out as not part of the w/c. Not in communion.

All the new members i've seen have been stalinists and teachers.

and sometimes stalinist teachers

 

[The39thStep]

Kick patriarchy out of the left

 

[Brainaddict]

Kick patriarchy out of the left

Don't be so rude about butchers!