Hungry Kidderminster woman stole Mars bars after benefit sanctions left her with no money for food

[DotCommunist]

Not at all. Helping her out is a great move. All I'm saying is that a call to her solicitor prior to posting charity requests in her name would have been a good idea.

as was suggested in this very thread, three pages ago by myself and others. Can't speak for the wider indiegogo campaign or whatever but I hope she spunks all the money right up the wall on a holiday

 

[ViolentPanda]

Tightarse

When he says "monkey", he actually means he'd send you a live (and starving) red-arsed howler money in a jiffy bag.
He's hardcore, is Cunty.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's every chance that it'll be gratefully received but a small chance that she'll be mortified and ashamed.

Different people react in different ways and nicking the lowest value item that she could find suggests a degree of dignity and self pride, imo.

I'd have checked first.

To be fair though, you're not the world's greatest authority on dignity and self pride, mate.

 

[teqniq]

When he says "monkey", he actually means he'd send you a live (and starving) red-arsed howler money in a jiffy bag.
He's hardcore, is Cunty.

I had to go away and think about this as initially I actually thought that. Then I remembered his signature.

 

[sihhi]

DotCommunist Private Storm J Ed

There are no names on this report (but you can click the links):

https://d19ylpo4aovc7m.cloudfront.n..._courts_charge_Case-studies_5_August_2015.pdf

eg

A 33-year-old homeless man pleaded guilty to three counts of breaching a criminal behaviour order after he was found holding “an open container of alcohol”. Magistrates in Folkestone, Kent, sentenced him to 12 weeks in prison, suspended for 12 months, and ordered him to pay a £185 criminal courts charge, £85 costs and a £100 victim surcharge. (Folkestone Herald, 14 July 2015)

It's not an isolated problems here and there, it's strategy to redistribute wealth within the working class:- from the destitute/near destitute to the 'in work' middle classes. Cuts to/defunding the criminal justice system means court costs have to be imposed on the guilty as service charges, it doesn't touch middle classes and certainly not the rich. There are no charity solutions to this.

 

[Pickman's model]

DotCommunist Private Storm J Ed

There are no names on this report (but you can click the links):

https://d19ylpo4aovc7m.cloudfront.n..._courts_charge_Case-studies_5_August_2015.pdf

eg

A 33-year-old homeless man pleaded guilty to three counts of breaching a criminal behaviour order after he was found holding “an open container of alcohol”. Magistrates in Folkestone, Kent, sentenced him to 12 weeks in prison, suspended for 12 months, and ordered him to pay a £185 criminal courts charge, £85 costs and a £100 victim surcharge. (Folkestone Herald, 14 July 2015)

It's not an isolated problems here and there, it's strategy to redistribute wealth within the working class:- from the destitute/near destitute to the 'in work' middle classes. Cuts to/defunding the criminal justice system means court costs have to be imposed on the guilty as service charges, it doesn't touch middle classes and certainly not the rich. There are no charity solutions to this.

Criminal Justice and Courts Bill
Fact Sheet: Criminal Courts Charge
Introduction
1.
The Government considers that convicted adult offenders who use our criminal courts should pay towards the
cost of running them . The Criminal Courts Charge will make it possible to recover some of the costs of the
criminal courts from these offenders, reducing the burden on taxpayers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../336085/fact-sheet-criminal-courts-charge.pdf
cos as soon as you become an offender you stop being a taxpayer.

 

[Private Storm]

Thanks for sharing sihhi

The mind boggles at some of the details in that doc. A £100 victim surcharge for "holding an open container of alcohol"?!

 

[Pickman's model]

Thanks for sharing sihhi

The mind boggles at some of the details in that doc. A £100 victim surcharge for "holding an open container of alcohol"?!

none of that's proportionate

 

[teqniq]

So basically it's a licence to print money and extort it from people who haven't got it in the first place.

 

[sihhi]

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../336085/fact-sheet-criminal-courts-charge.pdf
cos as soon as you become an offender you stop being a taxpayer.

If you interact with any public service you stop being a taxpayer, it was the same idea with protestors being charged for police escorts.
A Police & Crime Commissioner proposed paying for overnight stays in a cell if you are arrested - regardless of whether you're found guilty or not

"Putting people up in cells overnight really is a very expensive part of policing and is almost always the fault of the individual," he said.
"I think most people in this country would say [offenders] should pay for it, not the honest taxpayer."

 

[Pickman's model]

If you interact with any public service you stop being a taxpayer, it was the same idea with protestors being charged for police escorts.
A Police & Crime Commissioner proposed paying for overnight stays in a cell if you are arrested - regardless of whether you're found guilty or not

"Putting people up in cells overnight really is a very expensive part of policing and is almost always the fault of the individual," he said.
"I think most people in this country would say [offenders] should pay for it, not the honest taxpayer."

malcolm kennedy and patrick quinn paid very highly for their night at hammersmith police station in 1990, quinn famously paying with his life

 

[lincy]

Just donated to the fund it's standing at over £8,000 now.

 

[treelover]

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../336085/fact-sheet-criminal-courts-charge.pdf
cos as soon as you become an offender you stop being a taxpayer.

Was this a Grayling initiative? the odious get.

 

[Artaxerxes]

If you interact with any public service you stop being a taxpayer, it was the same idea with protestors being charged for police escorts.
A Police & Crime Commissioner proposed paying for overnight stays in a cell if you are arrested - regardless of whether you're found guilty or not

"Putting people up in cells overnight really is a very expensive part of policing and is almost always the fault of the individual," he said.
"I think most people in this country would say [offenders] should pay for it, not the honest taxpayer."

Jesus Christ, whats old is new again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgate_Prison

According to medieval statute, the prison was to be managed by two annually elected Sheriffs, who in turn would sublet the administration of the prison to private "gaolers", or "Keepers", for a price. These Keepers in turn were permitted to exact payment directly from the inmates, making the position one of the most profitable in London. Inevitably, the system offered incentives for the Keepers to exhibit cruelty to the prisoners, charging them for everything from entering the gaol to having their chains both put on and taken off.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Just donated to the fund it's standing at over £8,000 now.

Is there any way - assuming the Kidderminster lady can be contacted and is amenable to having her costs/fine paid - that the rest of the money be saved for other similar cases down the line?

 

[teqniq]

Is there any way - assuming the Kidderminster lady can be contacted and is amenable to having her costs/fine paid - that the rest of the money be saved for other similar cases down the line?

Hungry Kidderminster woman stole Mars bars after benefit sanctions left her with no money for food

 

[Steel Icarus]

Hungry Kidderminster woman stole Mars bars after benefit sanctions left her with no money for food

 

[AysaCloudsinger]

DotCommunist Private Storm J Ed

There are no names on this report (but you can click the links):

https://d19ylpo4aovc7m.cloudfront.n..._courts_charge_Case-studies_5_August_2015.pdf

eg

A 33-year-old homeless man pleaded guilty to three counts of breaching a criminal behaviour order after he was found holding “an open container of alcohol”. Magistrates in Folkestone, Kent, sentenced him to 12 weeks in prison, suspended for 12 months, and ordered him to pay a £185 criminal courts charge, £85 costs and a £100 victim surcharge. (Folkestone Herald, 14 July 2015)

It's not an isolated problems here and there, it's strategy to redistribute wealth within the working class:- from the destitute/near destitute to the 'in work' middle classes. Cuts to/defunding the criminal justice system means court costs have to be imposed on the guilty as service charges, it doesn't touch middle classes and certainly not the rich. There are no charity solutions to this.

Makes my f*!#&@g blood boil.

 

[campanula]

Thanks J.Ed - bunged in a bit myself.

magistrates - absolute shitters!

 

[shygirl]

I like the idea of keeping it for other such cases, however, not sure how that would work logistically.

 

[moomoo]

Just donated to the fund it's standing at over £8,000 now.

Blimey. I might pop out and nick a few mars bars.

 

[teqniq]

For those concerned that approaches should have been made through the right channels:

..Campbell is going through Sewell's solicitor, and has not spoken to Sewell herself...

article here

This is the guy who set up the indegogo page which now stands at £14,180

 

[SpookyFrank]

Is 100 quid pretty standard for a 'victim surcharge' now then? Few years back it was a flat rate of £15 IIRC.

I'm sure victim support provision has been increased accordingly

My Granddad does victim support. On a voluntary basis. he received about a day's worth training I think, and he gets a voucher for the canteen and a bus fare for his troubles. Not sure that's going to cost £100 per victim.

 

[BigTom]

Is 100 quid pretty standard for a 'victim surcharge' now then? Few years back it was a flat rate of £15 IIRC.

I'm sure victim support provision has been increased accordingly

My Granddad does victim support. On a voluntary basis. he received about a day's worth training I think, and he gets a voucher for the canteen and a bus fare for his troubles. Not sure that's going to cost £100 per victim.

Yes, but you're forgetting about all the backroom/office costs of victim support, such as the salary of the CEO of the outsourcing company that has been contracted to run it, or the shareholders of said company.

 

[teqniq]

Parasites, in other words.

 

[DexterTCN]

So...a big cheer for Wings Over Scotland then? The site and its social media extensions are doing good work along with its followers (who raised over £100,00 for the site in a funding project).

The latest update is here http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-geography-of-news/

Good causes and social justice has no borders. I strongly suspect that if Scotland was independent Wingers would respond in exactly the same way.

Well done everyone you have made a difference to someone’s life.

As in most of the reports, urban does not mention the site nor what it is doing. Members here say it should be avoided.

See here for what urban members say about it and about those who promote it.

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/wings-over-scotland.332655/

 

[weepiper]

So...a big cheer for Wings Over Scotland then? The site and its social media extensions are doing good work along with its followers (who raised over £100,00 for the site in a funding project).

The latest update is here http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-geography-of-news/



As in most of the reports, urban does not mention the site nor what it is doing. Members here say it should be avoided.

See here for what urban members say about it and about those who promote it.

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/wings-over-scotland.332655/

I'm no fan of WoS but what he's done here is excellent and to be commended. You seem to think it absolves him of anything else he's done before though. I disagree.

 

[DexterTCN]

I'm no fan of WoS but what he's done here is excellent and to be commended. You seem to think it absolves him of anything else he's done before though. I disagree.

Take it to the proper thread, weeps.

 

[weepiper]

A woman has been fined nearly £300 for stealing three bottles of baby milk at South Derbyshire Magistrates Court this week.

Janis Butans, 34, was given a six-week community order with a curfew and ordered to pay a £150 criminal court fee, £85 costs and a £60 victim surcharge

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ling-three-bottles-of-baby-milk-10460653.html

Baby milk. Fucking baby milk. What have we come to.

 

[JimW]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ling-three-bottles-of-baby-milk-10460653.html

Baby milk. Fucking baby milk. What have we come to.

Sweet Christ