Hungry Kidderminster woman stole Mars bars after benefit sanctions left her with no money for food

[teqniq]

 

[killer b]

Take it to the proper thread, weeps.

For real? You brought it up you fucking tool.

 

[xenon]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ling-three-bottles-of-baby-milk-10460653.html

Baby milk. Fucking baby milk. What have we come to.

Neo Dickensionism.

 

[teqniq]

According to that article this is all down to Grayling wanting the courts to 'pay for themselves'. They have no leeway with the fines though I imagine there's more than one or two who are indifferent to the plight of individuals.

 

[Celyn]

I wonder what will happen. Obviously anyone on benefits or on a lowish wage will not have a spare £300 ish just lying around and if they did, might not be nicking chocolate or BABY MILK for god's sake in first place.

I'm wondering if this is one thing that will embarrass this government into climbing down on it. But maybe they're beyond embarrassment, beyond empathy, beyond sense.

Hell, why did I write "maybe"? Seriously, this is crazy and wicked.

I daresay the next case will be someone nicking one potato, or one packet of 25pence instant noodles.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Sweet Christ

He's a fucking freeloader n all, Herod should have strung him up! Not even a home to live in!

 

[BigTom]

I wonder what will happen. Obviously anyone on benefits or on a lowish wage will not have a spare £300 ish just lying around and if they did, might not be nicking chocolate or BABY MILK for god's sake in first place.

I'm wondering if this is one thing that will embarrass this government into climbing down on it. But maybe they're beyond embarrassment, beyond empathy, beyond sense.

Hell, why did I write "maybe"? Seriously, this is crazy and wicked.

I daresay the next case will be someone nicking one potato, or one packet of 25pence instant noodles.

At least we don't have the three strikes rule they have in parts of the usa that has seen people jailed for stealing stuff like this, as it was their third offence.

 

[existentialist]

I wonder what will happen. Obviously anyone on benefits or on a lowish wage will not have a spare £300 ish just lying around and if they did, might not be nicking chocolate or BABY MILK for god's sake in first place.

I'm wondering if this is one thing that will embarrass this government into climbing down on it. But maybe they're beyond embarrassment, beyond empathy, beyond sense.

Hell, why did I write "maybe"? Seriously, this is crazy and wicked.

I daresay the next case will be someone nicking one potato, or one packet of 25pence instant noodles.

So I wonder what will happen in the long run? There must be magistrates who find this objectionable - will they start "nullifying" by making not guilty findings? It's probably too much to hope for that the police might stop sending such cases to the courts, but is it possible that shops might hesitate, knowing that the bad PR resulting from cases like this might rebound on them?

Or maybe this will simply run its course, and we will start to see ever increasing numbers of people being sent to prison for non-payment of "fines". We really are giving more and more people the freedom of having nothing left to lose...you have to wonder when the riots are going to start.

 

[Belushi]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ling-three-bottles-of-baby-milk-10460653.html

Baby milk. Fucking baby milk. What have we come to.

Baby milk is kept securely behind the counter at my local Tesco metro, next to the fags.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Baby milk is kept securely behind the counter at my local Tesco metro, next to the fags.

That is depressing

 

[Celyn]

Baby milk is kept securely behind the counter at my local Tesco metro, next to the fags.

Worrying.

 

[ReturnOfElfman]

Reminds me of a story my mum used to tell me about the time she was on court duty and she had to decide whether a homeless person who stole some ham was guilty. IRC my mum was the only one who found her not guilty, just because she felt sorry for her.

 

[scifisam]

Hopefully the milk thief will get some of the extra money from the other fundraising campaign.

 

[Celyn]

Hopefully the milk thief will get some of the extra money from the other fundraising campaign.

A tweet earlier said -I paraphrase - for those who have been asking, we're trying to see if can help Sainsbury Baby Milk Lady.

 

[spartacus mills]

DotCommunist Private Storm J Ed

A 33-year-old homeless man pleaded guilty to three counts of breaching a criminal behaviour order after he was found holding “an open container of alcohol”. Magistrates in Folkestone, Kent, sentenced him to 12 weeks in prison, suspended for 12 months, and ordered him to pay a £185 criminal courts charge, £85 costs and a £100 victim surcharge. (Folkestone Herald, 14 July 2015)
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ling-three-bottles-of-baby-milk-10460653.html

Baby milk. Fucking baby milk. What have we come to.

It's like reading this Victorian Crime & Punishment archive. And with Minister's promising boot camps for the unemployed how far away are we from the return of the work house...

 

[Wilson]

RYAN Scott Pugh, 38, of Edward Street, Derby, was handed a 12-month conditional discharge and was ordered to pay a £150 criminal courts charge, £85 costs and a £15 victim surcharge for begging in the Assembly Rooms car park, Derby, on July 1.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Named-shamed-s-Derbyshire-s-courts/story-27596519-detail/story.html

 

[Pickman's model]

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Named-shamed-s-Derbyshire-s-courts/story-27596519-detail/story.html

back down the car park i suppose.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So I wonder what will happen in the long run? There must be magistrates who find this objectionable - will they start "nullifying" by making not guilty findings? It's probably too much to hope for that the police might stop sending such cases to the courts, but is it possible that shops might hesitate, knowing that the bad PR resulting from cases like this might rebound on them?

Magistrates can't over-turn sentences. Only the Court of Appeal can. What magistrates could do, is make the payment order for an insignificant monthly sum (say £2).

Or maybe this will simply run its course, and we will start to see ever increasing numbers of people being sent to prison for non-payment of "fines". We really are giving more and more people the freedom of having nothing left to lose...you have to wonder when the riots are going to start.

Most of this shit lies at that the feet of that ferret-faced, dead-eyed cock blister Chris Grayling, who decided to institute a quasi-compulsory fines system in order "to make the courts pay for themselves", without paying any attention to the fact of further indebtedness resulting from failure to pay, and the increased possibility of a custodial sentence for non-payment somewhere down the line.

 

[AysaCloudsinger]

A tweet earlier said -I paraphrase - for those who have been asking, we're trying to see if can help Sainsbury Baby Milk Lady.

I feel like replying that bloody sainsburys should be helping sainsburys baby milk lady.

But they won't obviously because it would be seen to encourage shop lifting. But just a thought.

 

[Wilson]

Baby milk man, not lady, I think the Independent made an error in it's report which they've now corrected.

 

[treelover]

According to that article this is all down to Grayling wanting the courts to 'pay for themselves'. They have no leeway with the fines though I imagine there's more than one or two who are indifferent to the plight of individuals.

Actually, there was a major SKY News report on the court case fees, magistrates are resigning in significant numbers over the lack of autonomy over fines, etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

Actually, there was a major SKY News report on the court case fees, magistrates are resigning in significant numbers over the lack of autonomy over fines, etc.

more than 30 according to the express (9/8/15) http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597038/Magistrates-quit-protest-new-fines-rules

 

[Pickman's model]

Actually, there was a major SKY News report on the court case fees, magistrates are resigning in significant numbers over the lack of autonomy over fines, etc.

strangely the sky story of which you are so enamoured seems to draw significantly from the express one.

 

[shygirl]

I wonder too if its becoming 'policy' to fine poor people heavily for theft, as they know its likely to increase and they want to send out the 'right' messages?

 

[existentialist]

I wonder too if its becoming 'policy' to fine poor people heavily for theft, as they know its likely to increase and they want to send out the 'right' messages?

I don't think it's quite as intelligently though through as that. It's more "Ug. Pore peepl. Ged 'em".

 

[Sea Star]

I don't understand how any hungry person can be found guilty for nicking food. they are acting under extreme duress. Hunger drives people to do all kinds of shit they wouldn't do under better circumstances.

 

[existentialist]

I don't understand how any hungry person can be found guilty for nicking food. they are acting under extreme duress. Hunger drives people to do all kinds of shit they wouldn't do under better circumstances.

...and that is one of the reasons you'll never be a Tory minister.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I don't understand how any hungry person can be found guilty for nicking food. they are acting under extreme duress. Hunger drives people to do all kinds of shit they wouldn't do under better circumstances.

Lets not let a little thing like 'humanity' and 'ethics' or 'compassion' get in the way of the law.

 

[equationgirl]

It's like reading this Victorian Crime & Punishment archive. And with Minister's promising boot camps for the unemployed how far away are we from the return of the work house...

Not far enough. Sadly.

 

[DexterTCN]

It's in hand.

Wings Over Scotland ‏@WingsScotland 12h12 hours ago
Just broke £15K, btw: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-small-gesture-of-solidarity#/story… And for everyone asking, we're on the case of the Sainsbury's baby-milk woman.