Huge fire at Notre Dame cathedral, Paris

[TopCat]

Anyway thanks for elucidating, I will leave you to your fire.

 

[Humberto]

You can't not feel something is lost surely? I know most people are agreeing, but they are special, ridiculously good buildings. If you like that sort of thing.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well, it’s sad to me because it’s an historic monument, an iconic example of the French Gothic style, and a testament to the skill and toil of the craftspeople who built it. I’m interested in history and social history, art, architecture, culture and society. This famous monument documents all of these and more. If it is lost, then that is something I feel the loss of.

Rik disagrees though

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But it's ugly. There has to be beauty there for the bond to develop.

To be clear, I am saddened by this fire. ND is staggeringly beautiful. Truly awesome in the manner intended, and representing the loving work of generations of people. As a 'symbol of Paris' or whatever, though. No that's not what saddens me about potentially losing a building like this.

 

[Sprocket.]

The widespread destruction of religious buildings and religious art during the reformation and the French and subsequent revolutions suggest that people did see these buildings as symbols of clerical oppression.

In fairness, during the Thirty Years War, the profusion of mercenaries paid by both Catholic and Protestant sides to destroy one another’s places of worship was a major factor.

 

[Favelado]

The deputy mayor of the fire says the fire started in the roof, and hinted that it was caused by restoration workers ("I don't know but there was work going on there to bring down statues last week). He was talking to CBS a couple of minutes ago.

 

[TopCat]

Rik disagrees though View attachment 167853

I'm surprised at you.

 

[nogojones]

The deputy mayor of the fire says the fire started in the roof, and hinted that it was caused by restoration workers ("I don't know but there was work going on there to bring down statues last week). He was talking to CBS a couple of minutes ago.

Maybe one of the workers wages were a few days late

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm surprised at you.

for not agreeing with your adolescent bullshit? OK

 

[butchersapron]

 

[tim]

Hey id be happy if someone went full V for Vedetta on the building

but as symbols of a city the house of parliment and the tower of london are around the same age and historical significance as Notre dame

if i was in ireland i'd of said the GPO or trinity college

Apart from Westminster Hall the Houses of Parliament are mostly a mid-Victorian. A neo-gothic replacement of the predecessor that was burnt to the ground .

 

[circleline]

The deputy mayor of the fire says the fire started in the roof, and hinted that it was caused by restoration workers ("I don't know but there was work going on there to bring down statues last week). He was talking to CBS a couple of minutes ago.

Same with the fire at the Venice Opera House, I believe; caused by workmen during restoration works.

 

[Favelado]

Peckham Theseus.

 

[Ax^]

Apart from Westminster Hall the Houses of Parliament are mostly a mid-Victorian. A neo-gothic replacement of the predecessor that was burnt to the ground .

ok so maybe that was a bad choice of buildings

did not want to chose saint pauls as thats also a church and has been bombed before

 

[campanula]

I do agree that it is difficult to separate the social, cultural and political mapping onto wood, stone and steel, and for me, I hugely resent the downgrading of 'craft' over 'art'...along with matters of ownership and patronage. I have only been in the Notre Dame once before (on a school trip) but remember being profoundly moved by the sheer complexity of decoration. My dad was a skilled tradesperson and I also, do a lot of handworking in wood, fibre and cloth...and absolutely attest to the pride in excellence...but I also see that it is difficult to ignore the ultimate function of a building/object.

 

[ska invita]

The organ was a beast - 8000 pipes! 10 second reverb in the church
Notre Dame Cathedral Fire: Was the Historic Organ Destroyed? | Heavy.com

caputures the din but not the earthquake bass

 

[ice-is-forming]

Godamit! Next venice will sink before o get there

 

[Spymaster]

I'm surprised at you.

Your posts on here have been more than a bit odd, tbf. Your apparent inability to appreciate the significance of ND beyond its religious function is just plain weird.

 

[donkyboy]

did the hunch back of notre dame exist?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Have to say I'm saddened by the destruction of such a beautiful, old building. It was the pinnacle of engineering, craftsmanship and beauty in it's time and for hundreds of years. I dont even think of the use of the building and I am a Catholic. My first thoughts were of a magnificent old building destroyed. A hand built beautiful building that has stood through wars, revolutions and was made famous by Napoleon and Viktor Hugo. I'm sad....not because of religion....but because it's gone.

 

[Orang Utan]

did the hunch back of notre dame exist?

No.

 

[Sprocket.]

did the hunch back of notre dame exist?

The backdraft of Notre Dame did earlier.

 

[tim]

Just had a chat with one of my best friends whose cycled down to do his Tintin boy reporter schtick: people praying; people getting beaten up for blaming "the Muslims"; but also people there for the spectacle.

The boy reporter has degrees in political science and engineering and a life long obsession with Parisian urban infrastructure. Apparently there are several subterranean levels to the Cathedral with lots of wood floors and walls. This led to an apocalyptic assesment that the integrity of the cathedral end of the Island itself including Metro and RER lines could be at risk.

 

[The39thStep]

No.

n 2010 academics uncovered references to a "humpbacked" carver in the memoirs of Henry Sibson, a 19th Century British sculptor working at the cathedral at around the time the book was written.

 

[Orang Utan]

Not sure Victor Hugo was aware though. He made it all up i reckon, the dirty novelist

 

[The39thStep]

Not sure Victor Hugo was aware though. He made it all up i reckon, the dirty novelist

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

The mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, said at the scene that some of many artworks that were in the cathedral had been taken out and were being put in safe storage.
In Pictures: Fire guts Paris' Notre-Dame, but structure saved from destruction - Independent.ie
It was a UNESCO world heritage site...didn't know this.

 

[Favelado]

The mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, said at the scene that some of many artworks that were in the cathedral had been taken out and were being put in safe storage.
In Pictures: Fire guts Paris' Notre-Dame, but structure saved from destruction - Independent.ie
It was a UNESCO world heritage site...didn't know this.

There are loads of UNESCO sites. The waterfront in Liverpool and some stuff in Alcalá de Henares up the road from me are too. It's not surprising Notre Dame would be.

 

[tim]

ok so maybe that was a bad choice of buildings

did not want to chose saint pauls as thats also a church and has been bombed before

Old St Paul's was gutted in the fire of London but most of the stonework survived. Lots of Londoners wanted it restored but Wren and his contractors wangled its demolition and replacement with the current incarnation. The height of the spire of the old cathedral, which collapsed long before the fire was 150 meters. The Post Office Tower (177 meters) built in the 1960s was the first London building to exceed that.

 

[teuchter]

Less of a tragedy than the Glasgow School of Art fire. There's not really a shortage of gothic cathedrals around.

Like the GSA I expect it will be pretty well documented and the destroyed parts will be reconstructed.