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Huge earthquake in Haiti

Odds on the U.S forces and Iranian riot police getting into a ruck? :D

Pretty slim, I'd think - I doubt there's much overlap between ideologues and disaster relief people on either side, and presumably most of the Iranian contingent are people who dealt with the aftermath of the Bam earthquake.
 
president of haiti is sleeping at the airport so he's speaking for haiti though to be honest if he's doing more than going oh fuck repeatidly be a miracle:( The haitan senate most of the are lieing in front of the senate building in bodybags:eek:
some cunt in the independant is blaming the US military already as they hav'nt managed to get anything into the centre of town. everything is completely fucked the airport is tiny the port is fucked the roads are fucked. how exactly are they meant to get heavy lifting gear in :facepalm:

i think the issue here is one of the US controlling the security. IM sure given the military might of the US army they have the ability to do more, even if it would not be what was required. Im sure there's more going off than just "not being able to help".
 
Yeah, but it's end user focused isn't it? It costs to have people employed to take your call, whereas a 24 hr automated line will be cheaper allowing more % of donations to get where it's needed.
 
text just received 'I know how the Haitains feel. After 12 Aftershocks I can't find my house either'

If that wasn't my brother I would be adding someone to the ignore list. And I cracked up as well, so he has condemned me to hell.
 
Clinton visits quake-hit Haitians
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has become the first senior Western official to arrive in Haiti after the earthquake that flattened the capital. Mrs Clinton told the Haitian people that the US would be "here today, tomorrow and for the time ahead". Tens of thousands of people were killed and survivors have grown desperate as they wait for aid to arrive. The UN has meanwhile confirmed the head of its mission in Haiti has been found dead in the rubble of its headquarters.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8463490.stm

Is it just me or do you wonder about all the reporters and camera crews and VIPs like Hilary Clinton who have managed to get to Haiti, when their places could or should have been taken by emergency rescue people who could have saved some lives.
 
Is it just me or do you wonder about all the reporters and camera crews and VIPs like Hilary Clinton who have managed to get to Haiti, when their places could or should have been taken by emergency rescue people who could have saved some lives.
Damned if they do and damned if they dont. If the US contributes something worthwhile then the cost of the adminsration getting a photoshoot is worthwhile.
 
text just received 'I know how the Haitains feel. After 12 Aftershocks I can't find my house either'

If that wasn't my brother I would be adding someone to the ignore list. And I cracked up as well, so he has condemned me to hell.

Chatroom I was just in, somebody, in all seriousness, asked us to have a moment of silence and prayer for all the people in Hawaii....

:facepalm:

(nobody laughed)
 
Damned if they do and damned if they dont. If the US contributes something worthwhile then the cost of the adminsration getting a photoshoot is worthwhile.

No it's not just H Clinton, but very quicky after the quake there were Tv film crews there to tell us about it and show us the grisly images. I just wondered if they could have been better employed digging people out of the collapsed building. Especially as most of the search and rescue teams had not yet at that time arrived on scene.
 
And before enumbers gets in, Obama has announced that W. and Clinton will be heading up fundraising efforts in the U.S....

............JUST LIKE THE ARTICLE TOLD US HE WOULD. That think tank obviously controls the U.S Govt., or they're just stating the flipping obvious. After all to make it to Presidency twice, their ability to squeeze money out of reluctant people will be extremely adept.

:hmm:
 
ha hah...

I just think the big charities act too corporate, this maybe one indication

There was a thread about how much charities spend on admin, this is the flipside of saving money so it goes where it is needed.
 
For those of you still trying to figure out who you'd like to donate to, Régine Chassagne of Arcade Fire wrote in interesting piece in today's Guardian CIF section.

Though she was born in Montreal, it's well known she's creole and has quite deep roots to Haiti, and the band has been advocating for the Haitian poor (esp. their healthcare) for years. Her family emigrated from Haiti to Quebec during the dictatorship of Jean-Claude Duvalier, her grandfather was taken by the Tonton Macoutes (referenced in the tune "Haiti" from Funeral), and other elements in her editorial further illustrate her passion for issues relating to the people of Haiti.

Her organization of choice: Partners in Health (http://www.standwithhaiti.org/haiti). I checked it out and it's looking pretty good. I've already made a few donations (Red Cross, Médecins Sans Frontières) but we do okay financially and, like some others here, were looking to make another donation to a more grassroots organization. I think this might be the one.

Here the link to Régine's Guardian piece:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/17/haiti-earthquake-aid-casualties

And here's an interesting article I ran into while researching Partners in Health, trying to find info independent from the organization's own website:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39882

At first, it reads like a simple concert review from a gig Arcade Fire did at the Manchester Evening News Arena back in '07, where they just so happen to be advocating for Partners in Health during the show. But if you read on, it goes on in depth about the organization itself (ie. "94 cents of every dollar, directly to projects, medicines, and their clinics' needs on the ground"). I also like the fact that the article is from 2007, which tells me Régine and Win are in no way "bandwagon jumping", scrambling to find a charity to promote post-quake simply because Régine has creole roots. They've been promoting Partners in Health for at least three years, and they continue to think it's the right organization for Haiti's future.
 
Is it just me or do you wonder about all the reporters and camera crews and VIPs like Hilary Clinton who have managed to get to Haiti, when their places could or should have been taken by emergency rescue people who could have saved some lives.


I guess the media/'publicity' helps raise awareness - if it wasn't on the TV news, most people wouldn't think to give cash to pay for aid/rescue.
 
Thought provoking article from worldsocialism.org

Haiti - An Un-natural Disaster

The earthquake in Haiti and similar misfortunes are presented as unavoidable natural disasters. To some extent, this is true. But it ignores the consequences of the deliberate pursuit of profit at the expense of environmental protection. It is not a coincidence that the number of victims of recent disasters such as the Asian tsunami and the Katrina hurricane and now Haiti are clearly related to the degree of their poverty.

The reality with earthquakes is they kill only if we let them. They are inevitable, but the death toll is not.

It is collapsing buildings that take lives, not tremors in the ground. Throughout the animal kingdom, creatures have adapted to survive in their surroundings, but in our environment, where earthquakes are a fact of life, though nature challenges us to do something to protect ourselves, capitalism compels us to surrender safety to monetary profits and savings. No matter how severe earthquakes are, if buildings were properly built in the first place, then the vast majority of people would survive. This does not happen under capitalism, particularly in poorer countries, since the unavoidable pressure to make and save money affects what does, or more importantly, does not happen. There are pressures to build quickly and slapdashly to meet housing needs by landless labourers forced by poverty to find work in urban areas; inferior materials and construction methods are used in accordance with market forces, with poor people getting poorly-built homes; building inspectors are persuaded by politicians or back-handers to ignore breaches of rules so that businesses get the cheap employees they want and workers get hovels they can afford; landowners lobby governments, hand over party "donations" or resort to simple bribery to have new housing built on their land, even if it is unsuitable or downright dangerous. With, moneyless, socialism human needs and safety come second to nothing.

Though seismologists don't know precisely where or when earthquakes may strike, general areas of risk are identifiable. In a socialist society, how we respond to this information would be very different. There would be far greater freedom for those in danger to move to safer areas—action under capitalism that can involve huge financial losses from writing off unsafe homes, shifting businesses to where workers then live, adapting that region's infrastructure to aid in exploiting the new workforce etc. And those who, for whatever reason, chose to reside in seismic zones, they would then have access to the best buildings capable of withstanding the most powerful of quakes. Although Japanese and Californian architects have designed “active buildings”, some on top of massive rubber shock absorbers or with computerised counterbalancing systems that identify and counteract seismic shocks, what's the likelihood of such sophisticated technology being used under capitalism on multi-storey dwellings in poverty-stricken areas for workers on subsistence wages? Using superior designs, building methods and materials, there is no reason why populated areas should suffer any loss of life or major disruption after experiencing very powerful quakes.

The surviving victims of the disaster in Haiti need food, fresh water, clothing, medication and many other items. Some of those needs are being met, but not nearly enough. Governments of the richer countries have offered niggardly help. Ordinary citizens, appalled by the extent of the tragedy as revealed by the media, have responded generously to appeals by the charities.In times of natural disasters volunteers are never lacking, nor slow to offer assistance, whether practical or monetary.Humans are endowed with the ability to sympathise and empathise with their fellow humans. Humans derive great pleasure from doing good, are at their best when faced with the worst and will go to extraordinary lengths to help alleviate the suffering of others.

Most natural dangers are well known and socialism would not need to leave communities exposed to them. This would avoid many disasters. Also, contingency plans would exist throughout the regions and at a world level for the relief of any catastrophe. Emergency supplies of food, clean water, medical supplies would be maintained at strategic points whilst machinery, equipment and helpers would be moved quickly to the area of crisis. The present appeals for money are a pathetic substitute for the availability of real resources and the freedom that communities in socialism would have to immediately use them.

We have access to more comprehensive information and news coverage about world disasters than any previous generation of humans, and yet it appears that people don't feel driven to bring about an end to such catastrophes. It seems our society has been influenced to believe that nothing can be done. That big death tolls from quakes, volcanoes or droughts are inevitable. What efforts do the media make to change this, by explaining both capitalism's culpability and socialism's solutions? If people don't understand, then all there will be are yet more channel-changing "Not-another-disaster. There's-nothing-I-can-do " indifference.

Well worth a read is an article from Rosa Luxemburg about a volcanic eruption on the nearby island of Martinique in 1902.

Max Hess and Alan Johnstone

Jim
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"Niggardly" (noun: "niggard") is an adjective meaning "stingy" or "miserly", perhaps related to the Old Norse verb nigla = "to fuss about small matters".

This any help?
 
"Niggardly" (noun: "niggard") is an adjective meaning "stingy" or "miserly", perhaps related to the Old Norse verb nigla = "to fuss about small matters".

This any help?

the origin of "niggard" is unclear, but not its timeline, which predates the N-word in the English language by a couple hundred years at least. "Niggard" comes up as early as Chaucer, late 14th century.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1725/is-niggardly-a-racist-word

Perhaps.

But it sounds as if it has a racist bent. I would not myself use it for fear of being misunderstood. It is dated and easily taken in the wrong way.
 
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