redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
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How left wing is this forum?
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'd love to be the kind of poor 30k a year would buy me.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
A meaningless concept without any specifics about what is being taken, how it's being taken, to what end it's being taken and exactly what constitutes an 'ability' to provide it.
Like, I could donate eight pints of blood in one go or one pint at a time over a period of years for a much higher overrall total. If asked, I'd definitely have a preference.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It's context is that each person does the work they can ('to their ability') and takes what they need ('to their need') eg a cooperative society. Marx didn't coin it, it's older.
I saw a political cartoon a few years back lampooning the Tories which was:
From each according to their vulnerability
To each according to their greed
From each according to their vulnerability
To each according to their greed
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Even just for a year to clear these fucking loans I’ve got...
Gaia
Urban's Village Idiot
It's about as far left as you could expect from a load of middle-class, middle-aged, overpaid 'lefties'
Overpaid…?! If I was being overpaid the DWP would demand it back - with interest.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
I feel a bit too hopeless about the shape of society to feel "left wing" any more. I don't even know what "left wing" means. I know that I think capitalism is at the root of a lot of our problems, that social inequality is possibly the single biggest problem we face, that I would like to rip the whole thing to pieces, that there should be no limited liability corporations with shareholders, that housing should mostly be a public good, that most things should be public goods. I know that Marx got a lot of things spot on. But I have no road map for how we get to where I would like to be. So politically, I'm just a useless dreamer whilst my embodied self in the real world gets on with maintaining the base in my working life and the superstructure in my personal life. Is it "left wing" just to believe in left wing ideals? It doesn't feel it.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
Very much this. You are left wing, we all have to adapt to cope to life and I share you pain re the lack of a realistic road map.
8ball
Check your privet hedge
I swing between lethargic pessimism and HULK SMASH!!! but I’ve not gone as far as supporting (this) Brexit yet.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
Bugger brexit. Lefties were for and against it. It is not a defining factor as to whether you are a leftie. Comrade.
It supports a capitalist banking hegemony but left liberals like things like open borders as they think it improves the lives of those less fortunate whilst ignoring any negative factors that may be imposed upon those on the lowest rung such as accelerated gentrification.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
Sad thing is that too many "lefties" still think that open borders is for their benefit. It isn't. It is for capital's benefit (as I am sure you understand). I voted remain, but I am less and less convinced as to why.
No borders, no nations is a great concept. Some of the principles don’t carry over well for sure. For instance we’re all just vessels for producing profit. There’s no humanitarian reason for open borders under capitalism but the liberals paint it as such for some weird reason.
8ball
Check your privet hedge
Absolutely agree. I do think it was fantastically naive to support a Brexit controlled by the current powers, though.
But the one opportunity to break that hegemony existed under a shit govt. have we ever had a good one?
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
"Lexit" was a "thing" before the referendum. iirc, respected lefties like Bob Crow and Attila were anti EU for the "the EU exists to protect big companies" thing that you allude to.
Bob Crow died too early, Attila switched sides on Brexit when he saw the nasty right wing lining up to support Brexit.
EU State aid regulations have changed from trying to block countries supporting "lame duck" domestic industries, to blocking innovation and new companies challenging big business. No-one voted for that ever.
Bob Crow died too early, Attila switched sides on Brexit when he saw the nasty right wing lining up to support Brexit.
EU State aid regulations have changed from trying to block countries supporting "lame duck" domestic industries, to blocking innovation and new companies challenging big business. No-one voted for that ever.
8ball
Check your privet hedge
We’ve had better ones.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
Not sure we've ever had a "good" government. possibly the post war Labour government that set up the NHS etc.
With US money (the Marshal Plan) to stunt the possibility of social revolution following WWII.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
The US would have done better just to waive our war debt. We were paying it off for years, whilst the US benefited from access to European markets.With US money (the Marshal Plan) to stunt the possibility of social revolution following WWII.
FFS, they only turned up half way through the second half.
8ball
Check your privet hedge
It was to prevent key countries falling to the Soviets.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
Well, exactly. There is an "interesting" point around whether the US generals let the Soviet Army get to Berlin first, with a view to "running the commies down" - letting the Red Army take the losses, so that the yanks could steam through afterwards. The US generals certainly wanted to.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I voted leave, I’m hardly surprised the Tories have arsed it up.
But as for the news that’s meant to shock us..... “the poor will be poorer!” “Business will fuck you up the ass without lube”
Get fucked man. Middle class people that are now in a state of terror and stocking up on tinned food were obviously living in a state of fantastical naïveté for years..... oh hey I didn’t mean the french version, but I’ll leave it like that anyway cause it makes me sound learned.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
So much agree with you but particularly on limited liability entities. It’s a legal perversion of a statute. Internationally.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
The same one that started its term by calling in the troops against striking dockers, etc.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Yeah. So fuck the welfare state and Clement Attlee then? Is anything enough?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Welfare state didn't come about because capital decided to be benevolent or because of some great crusading labour party. Even if tories had been elected in '45 we'd have seen many of the same gains/concessions. Capital in crisis and a heavily armed and trained working class will do that.
So no to the former but the latter, yeah fuck Attlee
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Bollocks. That was the greatest victory of the left in the history of this country and there's no way the Tories would have brought it in. That's a complete assumption on your part.
So is there anything to celebrate? Or should Attlee and Bevan hang their heads in shame?
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