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Griffin and BNP strategy

Pickman's model said:
i would agree with you about most parties' constitutions. however, the bnp constitution has for some time been designed with the purpose in mind of nick griffin not suffering a coup. indeed, one of the points made by butler was that the constitution had been amended to strengthen griffin's position during the recent litigation with the equalities commission.

i think that the question of the party's internal organisation is one which will run and run until griffin departs or someone manages to oust him. it's an issue which has resonance for members who cannot be advanced unless griffin says so. he can appoint and dismiss national officers. the advisory council has no teeth. if someone joins and does good work, there is no means for them to advance past the (relatively) local stage before they need griffin's approval to go further. for the majority of members, and activists, this is probably not a problem. for the people who will be the bnp's leadership in the future, however, it is. do the dissidents leave or do they hold their breath waiting for griffin? i think that the constitution sets quite clear bounds to the party's ability to perpetuate itself, as prospective leadership candidates are removed from positions of influence on griffin's say-so.
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Sounds the same as the SWPs. Do WAG have a constitution?
 
audiotech said:
Griffin tells his audience that '700 infested aids Africans are about to enter Rotherham' and a 'Muslin drugs Jihad is taking place here.

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As Butchers says there is far more than the issue of 700 infested Africans to what Griffin says. Starts with what a local BNP cllr is trying to do with regards housing and creating local jobs , has a go at the Tories broken promises and then illustrates how the EC prevents putting local people first. If they manage to get some consistency in how that story is delivered it will be a popular message.
 
The39thStep said:
As Butchers says there is far more than the issue of 700 infested Africans to what Griffin says. Starts with what a local BNP cllr is trying to do with regards housing and creating local jobs , has a go at the Tories broken promises and then illustrates how the EC prevents putting local people first. If they manage to get some consistency in how that story is delivered it will be a popular message.
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The pig farmer chooses his words well, but do you believe that the alleged former drug dealer and Griffin, as an MEP, are anyway interested in housing for local (white) people in Cockermouth (a place when I last visited that had little in the way of industry and jobs), or anywhere else for that matter?
 
Apols if it's already been mentioned, noticed in the Guardian today that it is reporting:

BNP's London assembly man resigns whip.

The British National party's sole representative on the London assembly has resigned the party whip amid speculation that the BNP is on the verge of unravelling.

Richard Barnbrook, who lost his Barking and Dagenham council seat earlier this year, is understood to have taken the decision in protest at the increasing tensions within the organisation, which has seen a series of spats between senior figures in the last few weeks.

Barnbrook told the assembly he had resigned the BNP whip because of several serious allegations circulating within the party and has called for an "independent internal investigation" to be carried out before he returns to the fold. He is understood to remain a BNP member.

Earlier this week Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, saw off a leadership challenge from Barnbrook and three others. However, critics say he only managed to hold on to power by carrying out a widespread purge of internal opponents.

Tensions have been growing since May's general election when the BNP failed to make its promised breakthrough, and the council elections where all but two of its 28 sitting councillors standing for re-election were beaten.

"The BNP seems to be unravelling," said Nick Lowles from Searchlight. "Griffin has sacked or suspended over 30 critics and Barnbrook's decision seems to suggest the party is on the verge of full-scale revolt."
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Latest from Hope not Hate blog.

The BNP’s financial mess seems to be attracting the attention of the authorities. Rumours are circulating that Nick Griffin was arrested and had to post bail in Bruges last week. It also seems that party Treasurer David Hannam has been questioned by police over the party's finances.

According to the BNP’s former webmaster, Simon Bennett, the BNP has been served by a winding up order by the accountants Deloitte LLP, acting as liquidator on behalf of HM Revenue and Customs, Allied Irish Bank and two other organisations.
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Edmonds was sacked at yesterdays AC meeting. I think Griffin may well be clearing out the stay-behind tyndallites as they're obv preparing to cause further trouble.
 
The39thStep said:
Odds on/timescale for BNP demise?
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i think you're being a bit hasty. wouldn't be surprised if griffin left in the next year, but the quality isn't about to replace him as a credible leader. the people who do have leadership experience - brons and john bean - are no longer of an age to take over. eddie butler's had his chance. paul golding as leader wouldn't be too much of a shock. but as i've said before, the demise of the bnp will be lingering and bitter. it's this which may prompt a return by some elements of the membership to street activity, whether through the edl, nf, ena or some new organisation. however much of the bnp's membership is too old to really start kicking things off in the streets, as per recent report on london patriot website about bnp leafleters being attacked. much depends on what dowson and griffin do: but i think that they may have reached their peak. the continuing infighting in the party is unlikely to rapidly die away, hindering their chances in the next annual local elections. there will doubtless be some local successes off the back of effective canvassing and campaigning, but i believe the tide's starting to ebb. future events may of course render this prediction void: but as things are i would be surprised if they made more than narrow gains when next elections are held.
 
I was asking Audiotech who seems to be in 'the end is nigh' /'one more nail in the coffin' mode but I am always interested in your take. To me the biggest element in the wing clipping of the BNP is the New Labour defeat and the relative lack of political space they now have as an alternative to Labour.What I find intersting is that it is not the 'antifascists' who have been responsible for their more limited horizon but by and large bougeious politics and the state.
 
Pickman's model said:
i think you're being a bit hasty. wouldn't be surprised if griffin left in the next year, but the quality isn't about to replace him as a credible leader. the people who do have leadership experience - brons and john bean - are no longer of an age to take over. eddie butler's had his chance. paul golding as leader wouldn't be too much of a shock. but as i've said before, the demise of the bnp will be lingering and bitter. it's this which may prompt a return by some elements of the membership to street activity, whether through the edl, nf, ena or some new organisation. however much of the bnp's membership is too old to really start kicking things off in the streets, as per recent report on london patriot website about bnp leafleters being attacked. much depends on what dowson and griffin do: but i think that they may have reached their peak. the continuing infighting in the party is unlikely to rapidly die away, hindering their chances in the next annual local elections. there will doubtless be some local successes off the back of effective canvassing and campaigning, but i believe the tide's starting to ebb. future events may of course render this prediction void: but as things are i would be surprised if they made more than narrow gains when next elections are held.
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Spot on.

Nothing can be ruled out, and I wouldn't put it past the BNP to pull a rabbit out of the hat, or the mainstream parties to hand them a massive target which they could use to regain momentum, they could be left floundering and declining until the next Euro elections...

However they have created a long term space in serious British politics for a rightwing, explicitly racist populist party with significant working class support - that space is probably not going to be filled by the three big parties any time soon, and I don't think UKIP has got quite what it takes to fill the gap either, and the further right is a joke.
 
So is there a fair chance that the BNPs financial troubles will kill the party and that a new party will end up being formed?
 
The thing is, if they do wind the BNP up, then it would require a massive amount of work to get back to where they are now, getting people used to the new name, replacing the burnt out and disillousioned.

BNP is a brand with excellent recognition that sends out a clear signal, they're not going to ditch it if they can help it.
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
Spot on.

Nothing can be ruled out, and I wouldn't put it past the BNP to pull a rabbit out of the hat, or the mainstream parties to hand them a massive target which they could use to regain momentum, they could be left floundering and declining until the next Euro elections...

However they have created a long term space in serious British politics for a rightwing, explicitly racist populist party with significant working class support - that space is probably not going to be filled by the three big parties any time soon, and I don't think UKIP has got quite what it takes to fill the gap either, and the further right is a joke.
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And I wouldn't think that Griffin will necessarily be willing to give up his personal fiefdom (and, if rumours are accurate, private piggy bank) unless he either is forced to or sees bigger game to hunt elsewhere, either.
 
The latest BNP summer school.

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