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Diamond said:
Is the European Commission democratic and, if not, why? - No because its appointees represent the views of the EU as whole rather than the member states let alone the peoples of Europe.

Is the European Central Bank democratic and, if not, why? - No because it's written into it's constitution not to be so.

Is the IMFdemocratic and, if not, why? - No because votes are bought.
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Your silly questions corrected and answered.


Louis MacNeice
 
brogdale said:
The only one of those dealing directly with Greece, as part of the troika, is the commission. Would you care to explain how you feel the commission is a 'democratic' institution? Clearly, even you would not seek to argue that the two other bodies are in any way 'democratic'?

Are you going to answer that, or just keep up this little displacement game?
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There is one commissioner per nation, each put forward through the European council by their democratically elected governments and ratified by the democratically elected European parliament.
 
Anyway - interesting to see the IMF's current leaked thinking - restructure the debt so that it becomes immaterial for the forseeable future or else trim it radically through a debt relief haircut.
 
not-bono-ever said:
What are you trying to prove here? It's certainly little to do with the 120 page discussion
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He seems to under the impression that the neo-liberal agenda of financialised capital to compel all nation states into fiscally austere, consolidator states is...the will of the people. The tool.
 
I believe to comply with the bailout deal, Greece needs to pass quite a bit of legislation before the end of Wednesday. There is no way they are going to make that first deadline.
 
weltweit said:
I believe to comply with the bailout deal, Greece needs to pass quite a bit of legislation before the end of Wednesday. There is no way they are going to make that first deadline.
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Depends to what extent Tsipras complies with the ministerial choices of the troika.
 
butchersapron said:
Another quick passage from Streeck's book, does fit in with was briefly touched on above - apologies for length, but it really does put it all nicely:

6) The national and European regulations that are supposed to determine the economic and fiscal policies of member-states are to be formulated in such a way as to be valid forever, protecting them from being changed by new political majorities.

7) Lastly, in the event of non-compliance by a member-state, it is increasingly demanded that Brussels, in particular the Commission or the Court of Justice, get the power to act on behalf of the respective national state and take decisions for it and in its place to ensure conformity with the requirements of the market.

The direction in which this is heading is clear from a speech that Jens Weidmann, the president of the Bundesbank (who before this had been the chancellor’s closest economic policy adviser), gave in Mannheim on 14 June 2012. At a key point he remarked:

In the event that a country does not keep to the budgetary rules, national sovereignty would automatically pass to the EU level to the extent necessary for the targets to be reached … One example might be the right to implement – and not simply demand – tax increases or proportionate spending cuts … Within such a framework, the EU level could secure the path to consolidation, even if no majority can be found in the national parliament concerned.
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Fucking HELL!!!
 
Diamond said:
Because you care so dearly about my prospects...

How generous.
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No, because I care about these boards. I couldn't give a fuck whether you lose your job or not, but I would be pleased if you reflecting on that very real possibility deters you from shitting all over decent threads. One day, you'll push someone too far, and it'd be the easiest thing in the world for them to email your work and land you in the shit - you've spoken about taking class A drugs, your sex life, your work and all sorts here. That's a warning, not a threat; I wouldn't do it - but there's people here who might, and you'd only have yourself to blame.
 
Diamond said:
To be clear - do you have an issue with people being chosen as ministers by elected leaders?
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I have an issue with your assertion that the choice of political appointees is 'democratic'. You clearly fail to appreciate some basic tenets of the notion of democracy.
 
Athos said:
No, because I care about these boards. I couldn't give a fuck whether you lose your job or not, but I would be pleased if you reflecting on that very real possibility deters you from shitting all over decent threads. One day, you'll push someone too far, and it'd be the easiest thing in the world for them to email your work and land you in the shit - you've spoken about taking class A drugs, your sex life and all sorts here. That's a warning, not a threat; I wouldn't do it - but there's people here who might, and you'd only have yourself to blame.
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Done your research have you? Prepared a dossier?

That's pretty sinister stuff.

e2a - presumably just waiting for a volunteer once you get the details you need because you would be too spineless to do it yourself...
 
Cubic_Zirconium said:
There is one commissioner per nation, each put forward through the European council by their democratically elected governments and ratified by the democratically elected European parliament.
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You really dont have a clue as to what 'democracy' actually means, do you?

Fine, that's your problem. But if you want to discuss it, and to be shown exactly where your arse is, do please start aniother thread, rather poisoning this one with your imbecilic, ignorant, drivel.
 
Athos said:
No, because I care about these boards. I couldn't give a fuck whether you lose your job or not, but I would be pleased if you reflecting on that very real possibility deters you from shitting all over decent threads. One day, you'll push someone too far, and it'd be the easiest thing in the world for them to email your work and land you in the shit - you've spoken about taking class A drugs, your sex life, your work and all sorts here. That's a warning, not a threat; I wouldn't do it - but there's people here who might, and you'd only have yourself to blame.
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Sorry, but wtf is this?

Fuck right off with this, Athos.

Have a fucking word with yourself.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Sorry, but wtf is this?

Fuck right off with this, Athos.

Have a fucking word with yourself.
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I'm sorry, but I reckon it could go that way. As I've said, it's not something I'd do, but, if he keeps this shit up, there's people that might, and it'd have a consequence. That's all.
 
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Agree tbh. Posting stupid crap about Greece on a message board and being a bit of an ignorant dick is hardly a reason to fuck someones life up.
 
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