butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What on earth does 'made overtures to Iran' mean here?
Greek elections
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not sure you're going to find much sense in a treelover post
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
My feeling on this without knowing a great deal about it is "Good luck to the Greeks". Perhaps this is just the start of the fightback? I think in the UK we have a few yrs to go before our 'peoples revolution'. At the moment in the UK, too many of us are OK. Many people, perhaps the over 40s have been able to buy their own homes, they have reasonably secure jobs & so on. At the moment there are not enough UK folk being screwed but as the housing that they can't afford to buy gets bought up & rented back to them at extortionate rents, health care/education gets worse unless you can pay etc, the time will come when there will be enough folk with fuck all to lose(like the Greeks)& things will start to change. This debt thing is bollocks. Osbourne pretends national debt is no different to personal debt, some people believe it because they see debt as 'don't pay & we take your house/car'. People can't print money, governments can so there is a difference.
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
Osborne saying it's not austerity they've rejected, but the wrong kind of austerity
What they actually want is more austerity etc....
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Decent mini-analysis from Seymour on the deal:
http://www.leninology.co.uk/2015/01/syriza-anel-coalition.html?m=1
http://www.leninology.co.uk/2015/01/syriza-anel-coalition.html?m=1
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I had an argument with a ukipper who claimed this meant that UKIP would win the general election as they were the same as Syrizia - big lols - they claimed that the Greeks would now vote to leave the Euro and leave Europe. My understanding is - they want to renegotiate the terms of the bail out and end austerity measures, they haven't explicitly said they want to leave Europe or the Euro. If they default both might happen of course - but if the ECB is preparing to pump billions into the Euro Economy anyway, there is probably room for some flexibility with the Greeks because if they were to default and or leave, that would fuck Europe and the Euro much more.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Well the soon to be finance minister says he wants to destroy the oligarchy, not literally I suspect though
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
No almost about it
Could work although they need to be careful and make sure the generals are on board. Me, I'd give the military top brass an immediate pay rise and a new fleet of top of the range Mercedes staff cars. All things considered a very cheap insurance policy for when push comes to shove.
Why not? This is the time for anti-capitalist solidarity.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I notice the express has just headlined with another KILLER WEATHER ON WAY story
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Because it would need to be led by Amjad Bashir?
What's the military's position on the bailout anyway?
Seems to me they may well oppose it on nationalist grounds. In which case presumably there's no need to fear a coup.
If Hitler invaded Hell etc.
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
That's the express for you, Armageddon could be on its way & the headline will be killer weather on the way
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Oh no not again
Get a grip Froggie.
It looks like there is going to be a coalition between Syriza and the Independent Greeks. That is, between the traditional "left" and the traditional "right." This deal will be struck on the basis of their shared hostility to international capital.
True or false?
So do you want us to ignore this or what? And if you do, why?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I was sort of joking because you are always banging on about this. But I'll be serious:
As I said, I'm sceptical of how much Syriza will be able to achieve, because it's easy to say such stuff when they're not in power - we've seen it with other leftist parties across Europe. Secondly they will have to contend with rightward leaning/pro austerity/'realism' trends both within their party and the independent Greeks.
I haven't really been following this at all tbh but on purely economic arguments it's not surprising to me that syriza have entered this coalition, and they could hardly have entered into a government with pasok, fash or anyone else
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Thank Christ for The Express. What would we do without their constant stream of health/weather scares and Princess Di stories?
Yes I am, because the convergence of the traditional "left" and "right" over the issue of anti-capitalism is obviously a very important political phenomenon of our time. As this coalition proves. It's kind of hard to ignore.
I suspect that will depend on how far they are willing to deal with the traditional "right"--those who oppose capitalism on nationalist or socially conservative grounds.
I also suspect that Podemos will be faced with a similar dilemma later this year. And more broadly, it's a matter that the worldwide "left" is going to have to consider.
No, and obviously I'd draw the line at collaboration with GD. But even the Independent Greeks have some pretty nasty views on immigrants. I think Syriza should be willing to hold their nose and deal with them in the service of the greater cause.
It won't be easy though, given Greek history. And if you think it'll be difficult in Greece, think what it would be like in Spain if the election throws up a similar situation there.
