'Go to Ethiopia to kill'

[moon]

It could have also been a commentary on how Ethiopian's are treated within Israel..
The plight of Ethiopian Jews in Israel The plight of Ethiopian Jews in Israel - BBC News
'The story of the immigration and absorption of Ethiopian Jews in Israel epitomises the best and the worst of Israeli society.
True to its Zionist dream of being a haven for Jews, the Jewish state embarked on risky and expensive rescue operations in the 1980s and 1990s.
These brought tens of thousands of Jews from remote parts of Ethiopia, who had suffered from religious persecution, famine and civil wars.
Yet, when they arrived in Israel, these distinctive people faced appalling discrimination, racism and a lack of empathy for their hardships in Ethiopia and during their journey to Israel...'

 

[Mation]

Again, unless you can back this up (and so far far you've made zero attempt to do so), this is all just hollow bullshit.

Unless you can explain how your or anyone's "opinion based on experience and knowledge" can be justified as immediately and unfailingly giving you the answer to what's happening in this specific situation, based on the most flimsy amount of information, and no attempt to form any sort of argument or chain of reasoning, you are (yet again in your case, I'm afraid) jumping from your emotional reaction to a catagoric statement about what this statement meant and how we should all define it and react to it.

There's nothing wrong with having an emotional response, or in including that in your argument, but simply to assert that something is (generally) bad because it makes you (specifically) feel bad, without any attempt to construct an argument or give any reasons, and then to complain that people who question that are asking leading questions, attempting to say anyone's opinion doesn't matter, attempting to laud it over anyone, just want to be 'right' and undermine anyone, etc, etc, is utterly childish nonsense and is contrary to any genuine discussion.

I've come to expect nothing more from you, unfortunately, but I'm sure that Mation is capable of better, so just because you're not prepared to engage, please don't try to prevent others from doing so.

This post is bollocks from start to finish, btw.

 

[Treacle Toes]

What has Ethiopia or Ethiopians done to him for them to warrant that kind of treatment?

That has been explained up the thread moon.

 

[NoXion]

This post is bollocks from start to finish, btw.

Well, I'm convinced!

 

[andysays]

There may well be some context I'm unaware of, but what it sounded like was that he was telling people who kill to go and do their killing elsewhere; don't kill us, kill them. I think that's a terrible thing to say. But as I said earlier, it wouldn't stop me supporting him. Note that I'm talking about it here, rather than trying to tell him about it.
Not at all. In any way, whatsoever.
If you spend a lifetime as the recipient of racism, you are sensitive to it whenever it occurs and whenever something brings it to mind. If you're not the recipient of it, it's probably easier to ignore.
My guess is that it's this kind of response, rather than the man and what he said that prompted moon to do the thread. No one is asking you to get terribly upset. Or not to support Palestine. Or not to loathe what Israel is doing. Or not to feel passionately for this man and the hellish situation he's in, or not to support his stand.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post, despite attempts to discourage you.

It appears from your response to me that you're simply criticising him for saying the IDF should go and kill other people elsewhere and that there's no particular significance to mentioning Ethiopia. It would be just as terrible if, for instance, he had suggested they go to the UK and kill people. But in your other comments, including this post I've quoted, you're saying that it is actually racist, presumably because you interpret the mention of Ethiopia as of particular significance in a way that the UK wouldn't be. You seem to want it both ways.

You mention your experience as a recipient of racism (presumably mostly in a British context) as if it necessarily means that you can interpret the words of a Palestinian man in quite another context as being racist and terrible for that reason, but I'm afraid this bit doesn't really stand up. Using Ethiopia in a British context would have a racist implication, but you've said nothing to demonstrate that it does it this case (note that I'm not saying that it definitely doesn't have a racist meaning here, merely that you have made no attempt to demonstrate or explain why/how it does).

You and others have suggested that you have some special insight through your particular experience which is unavailable to the rest of us, and suggest that we should attempt to understand your particular point of view, but a the same time you immediately jump to categorise as racist and criticise as terrible something coming out of a situation about which you apparently have little or no personal experience or knowledge. Again, you want it both ways.

You can't have it both ways, but this is exactly what your individualist and emotion driven approach ends up, telling us (those who don't share your experience) that you know best, but saying nothing which might actually persuade us. Anyway, I'm out of this thread now.

 

[andysays]

This post is bollocks from start to finish, btw.

You're welcome to explain why it's bollocks if you wish.

Or not...

 

[Mation]

... why did it have to be me, why my family, why not X's family from down the road.

I imagine that X's family down the road wouldn't be too happy to be the people that come to mind in the heat of the moment. It's the same here. That black people might not like the idea (or suggestion of it - I accept that it is just about possible that his words had another meaning) of being the person that comes to mind in the heat of the moment as someone it's ok to wish this on instead of oneself shouldn't be so incomprehensible as it seems to be to some here.

 

[Mation]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post, despite attempts to discourage you.

It appears from your response to me that you're simply criticising him for saying the IDF should go and kill other people elsewhere and that there's no particular significance to mentioning Ethiopia. It would be just as terrible if, for instance, he had suggested they go to the UK and kill people. But in your other comments, including this post I've quoted, you're saying that it is actually racist, presumably because you interpret the mention of Ethiopia as of particular significance in a way that the UK wouldn't be. You seem to want it both ways.

You mention your experience as a recipient of racism (presumably mostly in a British context) as if it necessarily means that you can interpret the words of a Palestinian man in quite another context as being racist and terrible for that reason, but I'm afraid this bit doesn't really stand up. Using Ethiopia in a British context would have a racist implication, but you've said nothing to demonstrate that it does it this case (note that I'm not saying that it definitely doesn't have a racist meaning here, merely that you have made no attempt to demonstrate or explain why/how it does).

You and others have suggested that you have some special insight through your particular experience which is unavailable to the rest of us, and suggest that we should attempt to understand your particular point of view, but a the same time you immediately jump to categorise as racist and criticise as terrible something coming out of a situation about which you apparently have little or no personal experience or knowledge. Again, you want it both ways.

You can't have it both ways, but this is exactly what your individualist and emotion driven approach ends up, telling us (those who don't share your experience) that you know best, but saying nothing which might actually persuade us. Anyway, I'm out of this thread now.

See post #97.