danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Also, bad time to do a robbery! Everything will be thrown at you.
French magazine publishes controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad - many killed in revenge attack
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Shoot someone with a revolver or a shotgun, and you're more likely to see lots of blood - the revolver because they often aren't loaded with jacketed rounds, so the lead projectile tends to break up inside of you and mash loads of bits of organs and veins, and the shotgun because the sheer destructive power of a close-up hit from a shot cartridge will pulverise whatever it hits, causing a spray of gore. There's youtube films out there showing the effects of various types and calibres of ammo on ballistic gel which are quite informative about what you don't want to get shot with!
elbows
Well-Known Member
I guess perhaps you've been lucky enough to miss the numerous tabloid dribblings about the 'white widow' then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Lewthwaite
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, they deffo had R90/6s in the '70s, and K100s in the '80s, so not WW2 leftovers.
The Met also (treacherously IMO) replaced their Nortons with BMWs in the '80s.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Yeah, I was thinking this. You'd think any sane robbers would have put things on hold but some will always assume the police will be otherwise tied up.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
whereas it will be quite the contrary
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
At which point it becomes game theory - if enough robbers come out then your chances of getting caught/wasted drop to less than on a normal day.
Things have quietened down now, just the female accomplice on the run.
Cribynkle
squawk
Yes, the hostage taker at the supermarket was the person who shot the policewoman
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Anyone seen Fritz Lang's M?
Perhaps the underworld will band together to flush out any other potential miscreants planning on doing any political murders
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you do know the criminal underworld is generally one of the most conservative sections of society? were the krays socially radical in any way? i don't think so.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Not sure what your point is. The underworld in M don't unite out of altruism or any sense of social justice, but cos they don't appreciate the heat.
It was a facetious observation anyhoo
elbows
Well-Known Member
In theory they could both understand and care about your feelings on this, but still find other factors that would trump these concerns as far as they were concerned and lead to publication.
In much the same way some satirists can have serious concerns about being misinterpreted, but might consider themselves to be ineffectual satirists if they let such concerns make them think twice too often. Taking risks, courting controversy and not being afraid to offend or be vulgar probably go with the territory.
There are certainly some obvious examples of related phenomenon happening in the UK in the past. I was slightly too young to witness some people with varying degrees of racist views laughing along with Alf Garnett and missing the intended point of that character, so I can make no attempt to judge the scale or veracity of that phenomenon, but it still comes up in conversation sometimes. I know someone at work who missed the point and targets of the Brass Eye paedophile special and so considered it to be in far worse taste than it was. And you might imagine how I felt about Four Lions, which I personally thought useful for its particular blend of ridicule and pathos, when I discovered that some rather unashamed racists at work had enjoyed the film for very different reasons.
Personally I can see several reasons why people feel the need to learn more about Charlie Hebdo now, including making judgements, and there are a number of discussions about free speech, satire, religion and cultural relations where this angle can be legit and useful. But its also been pointed out a few times already on this thread that there are ways to link these issues together in the wake of recent events that are ugly and inappropriate to the victims and key issues. And I say that as someone who doesn't believe in concepts like not speaking ill of the dead, or routinely hiding from certain truths that are uncomfortable to my own political position. But since satire and terror attacks have strong political dimensions and the responses to them have political implications, these are at least issues to be sucked on slowly and carefully. I'm not suggesting you are doing otherwise, just using this stuff as an opportunity to get this off my chest.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Apologies if already posted - another possible hostage scenario
http://rt.com/news/221255-montpellier-jewelery-hostage-france/
http://rt.com/news/221255-montpellier-jewelery-hostage-france/
elbows
Well-Known Member
I know what you mean. I think the term blowback does actually allow for the victims to be innocent, but its a politically emotive term and any sense of fittingness may sit uneasily because of the way innocent humans fall under the classification of citizens of a nation that may have been doing horrible things to citizens of other nations. The mandatory stamp of nationality that is imposed on individuals, and the horrible implications of this when states use violence.
Thats assuming the term blowback, although somewhat stretched over the years, is still firmly understood to be a term that is indivisible from statecraft, especially statecraft at its most violent, cynical, clandestine and corrupt. i.e. not ever meant to imply that the blowback was caused by original actions carried out by Charlie Hebdo, but rather to actions of the French state and their partner nations.
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Apparently there was a guy hiding in a box in the printer's and was never detected and was able to talk to the police by phone. (BFMTV)
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I'm pretty certain that were I a Paris-based professional armed robber I would take it easy for a few weeks.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not that we're saying that anyone here is a professional armed robber in the Paris area, or anywhere else. Let's just make that absolutely clear.
Ok Editor?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
perhaps you could say what that link is and why anyone should click on it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've let editor's little cat out of the bag now
You've reminded me again of the full-page essay in le Monde on the correct use of the counterfactual subjunctive. The author would have approved of the DaveCinzano post.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
Just heard the same on C4 News.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Whoever wrote that Le Monde article should be shot
/Too soon?, etc
/It's what they would have wanted, etc
CosmikRoger
Well-Known Member
Just heard the last few moments of a radio interview with the man whose car was hijacked by the two brothers. Apparently they were calm and very polite to him, he had asked if they would let him take the pet dog out of the car and was struck by their courtesy and politeness, holding the car door open for him.
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