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T & P said:
The Daily Mail has an exclusive interview with this doofus. Vintage stuff :D

(On archive.ph) so you can read it without generating revenue for the Mail)

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After trying and failing to fight the prosecution, Mr Thomas - who says he learned his defence from a Facebook group - was ordered to pay the full fine - when he could have instead completed a speed awareness course.
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What sort of idiot takes legal advice from a bloody Facebook group? Answer, this sort of idiot.

In total, Mr Thomas calculated that he was owed £210million for his troubles.
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£210m, fucking hell. :D
 
T & P said:
He served the police with an 161-page dossier he wrote with the help of a Facebook group

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And he’s demanded the very reasonable amount of £210m from the police for the harassment he’s been subjected to.
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I think he may have failed to understand [I can stop this sentence here, but oh well...] what a Lien is. I wasn't sure myself, but here's a definition I found on a solicitor's website:

A lien is the right of a person who has lawfully received property belonging to another to retain that property for so long as a debt owed by the owner of the property remains unpaid.

Liens may be recognised by common law or may be created by contractual agreement.

Common law liens:

  • are a form of possessory security
  • only grant the right to retain the goods which are subject to the lien
  • don't grant the holder the power to sell the goods to discharge or reduce the debt owed
  • may be asserted to retain possession of goods until the relevant charges or debt is paid.
Liens created by contracts may improve or alter the limitations of common law rules.
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T & P said:
In the Mail article the bloke claims he’s already successfully contested two previous motoring/ parking fines. Which sounds like utter bullshit :D
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'I'm contesting a parking fine using FOTL arguments.'
'I've successfully contested two parking fines before.'

Sentence 1 has nothing to do with sentence 2. ;)

Granny Weatherwax said:
'We're bound to be truthful, But there's no call to be honest.'
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And of course, the mail does not need to be truthful or honest.
 
The Facebook group is comedy gold on one hand and tragic on the other. They discuss how to design your crest and seal (on Canva) call themselves Baron and Baroness and demand huge sums of money from the police and government ministers. The optimistic member who demanded £300 million from Rishi Sunak. 🤪
The admin is a POS, she victim blames those who say ‘it didn’t work’, it’s all their fault, they didn’t use their Baron/Baroness names all of the time, they didn’t understand the documents they were given and they didn’t try hard enough. So this is how they are blaming this idiot, he wasn’t doing it right. 🙄
I wonder if she’s in a pyramid scheme because it’s the same way they shame their victims when they complain they lost money.
 
pinkmonkey said:
The Facebook group is comedy gold on one hand and tragic on the other. They discuss how to design your crest and seal (on Canva) call themselves Baron and Baroness and demand huge sums of money from the police and government ministers. The optimistic member who demanded £300 million from Rishi Sunak. 🤪
The admin is a POS, she victim blames those who say ‘it didn’t work’, it’s all their fault, they didn’t use their Baron/Baroness names all of the time, they didn’t understand the documents they were given and they didn’t try hard enough. So this is how they are blaming this idiot, he wasn’t doing it right. 🙄
I wonder if she’s in a pyramid scheme because it’s the same way they shame their victims when they complain they lost money.
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What's the group name pinkmonkey ? I may apply to join ...
 
This fucking guy.

FOTLer fool said:
'They had weeks to reply and never replied. I also gave them an opportunity to pay me a load of money which they obviously aren't ever going to do.
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So why fucking do it then?! All that time and effort he wasted on compiling and printing out that stupid little booklet could have been better spent attending the speed awareness course.

All they have done is provided a picture from an ANPR camera as proof I was speeding, to me that is not proof unless a police officer was there.
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The camera is automatically triggered by a vehicle travelling above the limit. That's actually more reliable evidence than the say-so of a copper, which might as well be hearsay. Unless this guy can provide evidence that the picture was taken in error, they've got him to bang to rights and his opinion is legally irrelevant.

There is no real victim here, who have I hurt? I do believe in the law of the land. Innately I know what is right and wrong.
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You don't have to hurt anyone in order to break the law. Legality =/= morality. This does in fact suck in many ways, but it's a social reality that does not go away if you choose to ignore it.
 
NoXion About your camera evidence comment, I don’t know how this guy tried to play it, but most FoL folk don’t try to undermine the evidence of the charges against them, but instead claim there’s two of them, a legal entity and a physical one, and that all offences, taxes or legal obligations levied against them fall into the non-existent legal entity. One of the main reasons they always use variations of their full name whilst in court.

Needless to say, it never, ever works :D
 
T & P said:
NoXion About your camera evidence comment, I don’t know how this guy tried to play it, but most FoL folk don’t try to undermine the evidence of the charges against them, but instead claim there’s two of them, a legal entity and a physical one, and that all offences, taxes or legal obligations levied against them fall into the non-existent legal entity. One of the main reasons they always use variations of their full name whilst in court.

Needless to say, it never, ever works :D
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I understand the courts sometimes now ask them how they would like to be addressed and use that address. It just saves time and extra nonsense. Because when you've been entertained for a little while, it gets quite boring.
 
T & P said:
NoXion About your camera evidence comment, I don’t know how this guy tried to play it, but most FoL folk don’t try to undermine the evidence of the charges against them, but instead claim there’s two of them, a legal entity and a physical one, and that all offences, taxes or legal obligations levied against them fall into the non-existent legal entity. One of the main reasons they always use variations of their full name whilst in court.

Needless to say, it never, ever works :D
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In this document (caution LONG) he calls it Magic Hat, simply put on your magic hat and you are absolved of all responsibility. https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html
 
T & P said:
NoXion About your camera evidence comment, I don’t know how this guy tried to play it, but most FoL folk don’t try to undermine the evidence of the charges against them, but instead claim there’s two of them, a legal entity and a physical one, and that all offences, taxes or legal obligations levied against them fall into the non-existent legal entity. One of the main reasons they always use variations of their full name whilst in court.

Needless to say, it never, ever works :D
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It is rather curious that this FOTLer didn't explicitly mention that in his interview with the Mail. Perhaps because he knows it's a load of donkey droppings?
 
Perhaps the millions he's claiming as compensation could be paid to his legal entity.

If his legal entity doesn't have to pay the fine, I doubt it can claim the money he's due either.

Or can it? I'd like to hear he'd written a100+ page explanation of why this can't possibly be right, at any rate. :D
 
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