Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Well, this lot seem batshit crazy, but they have some significant numbers…and the wider movement seems to be growing. Is this the U.K. Tea Party in its infancy?
Freeman-on-the-land idiocies
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
There's a years long thread on these twats...
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Knobs
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I think that's the hotel owned by the GFTU. It's very nice.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Fremen on the land:
LakieLady
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Imo, there's always a small minority of people willing to believe batshit nonsense.
They'd probably be the first to complain when there was no ambulance when they needed one, or great potholes opening up in their road.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I was watching this week's episode of Police Interceptors last night, and they pulled over this Freeman loon, together with his two mates, all three could be described as hippy-types.
Anyway, the driver was clearly off his tits, so they wanted to do a roadside drugs test, at which point the hilarity began, this loon says he has to make the cops aware of his schedule of charges, starting at £88 before he would submit to a drug test, 'are you refusing to give a sample of saliva?', 'no, I'll once you have paid me my £88 fee', and after a few more attempts to get him to comply, they had no choice but to arrest him.
As he's cuffed and put in the back of the cop car, he's screaming that he's being kidnapped, as the muppet passengers looked on, objecting, and filming it all. He wouldn't shut up the whole journey back to the cop shop. He continued his madness with the custody sergeant, now demanding the next fee on the scale of his schedule of charges, a whopping £10,016* on top of the £88*, and refusing to submit to a drug test in custody until his fees were paid.
* No idea how he came up with these odd amounts.
He was then charged with failing to provide specimens for a drug test, so off to court he went, and apparently continued with his madness in court.
Fined a sum totalling over £600, and given a three year driving ban.
Anyway, the driver was clearly off his tits, so they wanted to do a roadside drugs test, at which point the hilarity began, this loon says he has to make the cops aware of his schedule of charges, starting at £88 before he would submit to a drug test, 'are you refusing to give a sample of saliva?', 'no, I'll once you have paid me my £88 fee', and after a few more attempts to get him to comply, they had no choice but to arrest him.
As he's cuffed and put in the back of the cop car, he's screaming that he's being kidnapped, as the muppet passengers looked on, objecting, and filming it all. He wouldn't shut up the whole journey back to the cop shop. He continued his madness with the custody sergeant, now demanding the next fee on the scale of his schedule of charges, a whopping £10,016* on top of the £88*, and refusing to submit to a drug test in custody until his fees were paid.
* No idea how he came up with these odd amounts.
He was then charged with failing to provide specimens for a drug test, so off to court he went, and apparently continued with his madness in court.
Fined a sum totalling over £600, and given a three year driving ban.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yeah most them had too much spice i thinkFremen on the land:
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Clearly works for a Car Park charge companyI was watching this week's episode of Police Interceptors last night, and they pulled over this Freeman loon, together with his two mates, all three could be described as hippy-types.
Anyway, the driver was clearly off his tits, so they wanted to do a roadside drugs test, at which point the hilarity began, this loon says he has to make the cops aware of his schedule of charges, starting at £88 before he would submit to a drug test, 'are you refusing to give a sample of saliva?', 'no, I'll once you have paid me my £88 fee', and after a few more attempts to get him to comply, they had no choice but to arrest him.
As he's cuffed and put in the back of the cop car, he's screaming that he's being kidnapped, as the muppet passengers looked on, objecting, and filming it all. He wouldn't shut up the whole journey back to the cop shop. He continued his madness with the custody sergeant, now demanding the next fee on the scale of his schedule of charges, a whopping £10,016* on top of the £88*, and refusing to submit to a drug test in custody until his fees were paid.
* No idea how he came up with these odd amounts.
He was then charged with failing to provide specimens for a drug test, so off to court he went, and apparently continued with his madness in court.
Fined a sum totalling over £600, and given a three year driving ban.
Rebecca Riot
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned but didn't some twat take over one of the old Maunsell forts in the Thames estuary and declare independence?
I think he called it Sealand and gave it it's own post code.
I think he called it Sealand and gave it it's own post code.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
That's actually fairly sane compared with the Freeman stuff, basically Roy Bates who had operated the pirate Radio Essex back in the 60s from another fort, that was declared to be within British waters, got into a battle with people from Radio Caroline over the Rough Sands forts, because it was outside the then 3-mile limit, and won, some time after he declared the independent state of Sealand.
The Bates family still claim ownership, although it's been within UK waters since the limit was extended to 12 miles, normally there's only one person out there, Mike Barrington, a former engineer with both Radio Jackie and Radio Caroline, who I met at least once or twice, many, many years ago.
I have the book, Principality of Sealand: Holding the Fort by [Prince] Michael of Sealand, on my book shelf, as it says in the write-up - The story of Sealand is like an Ealing comedy crossed with a Bond film and scripted by John Le Carré.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
And some of us are Knights of the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand 
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Remind us commoners how we should properly address you.And some of us are Knights of the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
And some of us are Knights of the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand
Oh yes, I had forgotten you're a Sir of Sealand, and on that basis I withdraw my pervious comment of - "That's actually fairly sane compared with the Freeman stuff."
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Rebecca Riot
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I had no idea this was still ongoing as most of the forts are so rusty they look like they're about to fall into the North Sea.
Some of them must have been quite big as there were over 100 men stationed on them during WW2. That book looks interesting, I must check it out.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
There was two types, the army ones that look like they should be in 'War of Worlds', the walkways between the towers have largely rusted away and collapsed into the sea, but otherwise the individual towers are apparently in fairly good nick, despite being rusty on the outside.
That mast isn't left over from the pirate stations in the 60s, it was erected back in 2007 and used by 'Radio Red Sands' for a few years, using a restricted service licence (RSL) for 10 days during the annual Whitstable Oyster Festival, and yes, I know a couple of the nutters that went out there to be it!
The navy forts, had living quarters actually in the legs, going down below sea levels, it's one of these that is Sealand, minus the very top bit, which was removed to make way for a helicopter landing pad.
It's a good read, and a great story, TBH.
Ground Elder
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gawkrodger
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a more tragic version of this stupidity
www.theguardian.com
Couple starved and buried son, 3, after setting up their own ‘kingdom’ in Birmingham
Abiyah Yasharahyalah suffered ‘breathtaking’ neglect at the hands of his parents, who have been found guilty of causing or allowing his death
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
(Apologies for going off on a tangent and not meaning to derail from the tragic case above)
Saw an interesting / morbidly fascinating extended PBS doc on one early manifestation of this sort of cultic worldview last week called "Rise of the Freemen" - not sure if it was the first example - which had started off simply as a grift in recession hit 1980s Montana. A charismatic charlatan persuaded desperate, sinking Midwest farmers up to their eyes in debt that they could just cancel it all by seceding from all US authorities, declaring their own sovereignty etc, lodging fraudulent liens against anyone they took a dislike to, then using the fake liens to write dodgy cheques off, raising thousands and thousands of $ by filtering it into real-world goods from big box stores then selling them on. It all escalated into the largest money laundering /cheque fraud case the US had seen at that point (mid 90s), but also to the charlatan setting up his own mega commune, buying loads of guns, attempting to kidnap and hang some local judges as 'traitors' and very nearly turned into a Waco style conflagration. The PBS doc is too long and too full of FBI undercover agents bragging about how they investigated/infiltrated it, but it's worth watching to see how this sort of "thinking" gets its hooks into people who are in dire financial straits, feel marginalised, and have a psychological predisposition to arrogance and/or stubborn independence, and then morphs into a whole giant "write your own universe into existence" belief system. Lots of parallels to any number of conspiracy-theory communities since then including those nutbars involved in the Chelmsford coroner-kidnapping plot recently.
Saw an interesting / morbidly fascinating extended PBS doc on one early manifestation of this sort of cultic worldview last week called "Rise of the Freemen" - not sure if it was the first example - which had started off simply as a grift in recession hit 1980s Montana. A charismatic charlatan persuaded desperate, sinking Midwest farmers up to their eyes in debt that they could just cancel it all by seceding from all US authorities, declaring their own sovereignty etc, lodging fraudulent liens against anyone they took a dislike to, then using the fake liens to write dodgy cheques off, raising thousands and thousands of $ by filtering it into real-world goods from big box stores then selling them on. It all escalated into the largest money laundering /cheque fraud case the US had seen at that point (mid 90s), but also to the charlatan setting up his own mega commune, buying loads of guns, attempting to kidnap and hang some local judges as 'traitors' and very nearly turned into a Waco style conflagration. The PBS doc is too long and too full of FBI undercover agents bragging about how they investigated/infiltrated it, but it's worth watching to see how this sort of "thinking" gets its hooks into people who are in dire financial straits, feel marginalised, and have a psychological predisposition to arrogance and/or stubborn independence, and then morphs into a whole giant "write your own universe into existence" belief system. Lots of parallels to any number of conspiracy-theory communities since then including those nutbars involved in the Chelmsford coroner-kidnapping plot recently.
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elbows
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Thanks for the info. I wont have time to watch that but I found the wikipedia page about it:
Montana Freemen - Wikipedia
Includes details about how some of them then tried similar bullshit whilst in prison for the original shit, ending up increasing their sentences.
It also says they were direct ideological descendants of this shit:
Posse Comitatus (organization) - Wikipedia
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
a more tragic version of this stupidity
Couple starved and buried son, 3, after setting up their own ‘kingdom’ in Birmingham
Abiyah Yasharahyalah suffered ‘breathtaking’ neglect at the hands of his parents, who have been found guilty of causing or allowing his death
It caught my eye because of the "vegan" thing - which inevitably got milked ...
bloody hell his FB page is still up
And YT channel
And Wix site ...
And you can see the weird shit they did to the front door on street view
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
It also says they were direct ideological descendants of this shit:
Posse Comitatus (organization) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
oh i remember them, quite active during the 70s and 80s.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
freeman-in-the-air
www.adn.com
"An FAA inspector talked with Marsan about the encounter about a month later and Marsan told the inspector he was a “free citizen” and “did not need a pilot or medical certificate, and adding that his aircraft had been deregistered,” the indictment said."
Palmer pilot convicted of aviation violations following midair near-miss in 2023
William Marsan, who had said he was a “free citizen” who wasn’t subject to government authority, was convicted by a federal jury of operating without a pilot’s license and flying an unregistered plane.
"An FAA inspector talked with Marsan about the encounter about a month later and Marsan told the inspector he was a “free citizen” and “did not need a pilot or medical certificate, and adding that his aircraft had been deregistered,” the indictment said."
fucthest8
Cool people die horrible, preventable deaths.
I mean, to be fair to this whole thing - and hear me out - it's really just a version of what "nobility" (whoever owns the most land and power) have been doing for thousands of years: making shit up and then codifying it.
"Yes mate, God has anointed me to rule over you. Yeah yeah and that right passes down to my family. Yeah, deffo. And all this land is mine, except for the bits I've given to other slightly less special people to look after. Which means I get it back when they die (or just piss me off but shh don't tell them). Anyway, you can have this little bit of land to grow food on, but you need to give some of it to the church cos they are caring for your souls yeah? Yeah, deffo and not just because they are complicit in the whole divine right thing. So yeah, that's how things work."
And then diluted down every thousand years by adding in people who claim to be special because of their brains, or because of all the money their dad made, or whatever.
"The Law" is a made up set of rules to help them, that happens to contain some things that also protect you, but that's purely incidental.
So yeah, it's a bit mental to try and go against it, but I understand why people get sucked into it; what they completely miss is that they don't have the right power to influence the law. Watch what happens in America over the coming years.
T & P
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Great one-liner summary there, peteefreeman-in-the-air
Palmer pilot convicted of aviation violations following midair near-miss in 2023
William Marsan, who had said he was a “free citizen” who wasn’t subject to government authority, was convicted by a federal jury of operating without a pilot’s license and flying an unregistered plane.
"An FAA inspector talked with Marsan about the encounter about a month later and Marsan told the inspector he was a “free citizen” and “did not need a pilot or medical certificate, and adding that his aircraft had been deregistered,” the indictment said."
Boo Radley75
I have a lovely missus
Got a friend who's got sucked right down the conspiracy loon rabbit hole, it's sad to see. Started off with posting a load of Nigel Farage nonsense and now moved on to battier and battier things. Latest thing is telling people to boycott Arla products. Never even heard of that one but a quick check and it's the "climate change isn't real" twats making up a load of shit about some methane reducing cow feed giving you cancer. They've even managed to shoehorn Bill Gates into it, of course. 
fullfact.org
Is milk from cows fed Bovaer safe? - Full Fact
The methane-reducing cow feed additive is considered safe by food safety authorities in the approved doses. And contrary to some claims online, Bill Gates was not involved in its development.
fullfact.org
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Someone at work is heading that way. I noticed it with certain words and phrases and recently he just came out with the one word "Black Rock" when I was talking about the vape company that has apparently bought Typhoo. Sometimes I'll hear him waxing lyrical about "nothing in the world is really as we think it is". It's been a case study in being radicalised.Got a friend who's got sucked right down the conspiracy loon rabbit hole, it's sad to see. Started off with posting a load of Nigel Farage nonsense and now moved on to battier and battier things. Latest thing is telling people to boycott Arla products. Never even heard of that one but a quick check and it's the "climate change isn't real" twats making up a load of shit about some methane reducing cow feed giving you cancer. They've even managed to shoehorn Bill Gates into it, of course.
Is milk from cows fed Bovaer safe? - Full Fact
The methane-reducing cow feed additive is considered safe by food safety authorities in the approved doses. And contrary to some claims online, Bill Gates was not involved in its development.
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