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Former SWP members plan to sabotage Steve Hedley's TUSC campaign

I was told by an RMT member the other day that Alex Gordon was the favourite.

Yeah I've heard that, Hedley would've been a leading contender prior to the allegations being made, I don't think he'll get it this time.

I heard a rumour Gordon's a public schoolboy though....
 
I know. I just think his motivation in posting them at all is what should be questioned rather than the figures. caught out on some bullshit, he's actually trying to use rape stats to distract us. fucked up.

If someone makes a claim, I like to look at the evidence for myself. It's an interesting figure and shockingly high if true.

But yes, an odd way of attacking the RMT.
 
I'm not believing or disbelieving because I still can't see how the figures were arrived at.

So what do you think the stats are?
I know. I just think his motivation in posting them at all is what should be questioned rather than the figures. caught out on some bullshit, he's actually trying to use rape stats to distract us. fucked up.

And what do you think my motivation is? And what "bullshit" are you speaking of?
 
There's a petition going around to say it's all a bit shit on facebook. No link because I'm on my phone as per.
 
What with there not being much internal democracy in TUSC, something like this was bound to happen.
 
"from the left" = "from the self-selecting left"

afaik steve hedley's not been convicted or disciplined by any tribunal, be it rmt or hmg or otherwise. one thing i would hope even socialists believed in was the principle of 'innocent till proven guilty' - because otherwise all the hullaballoo about things like the demonisation of winston silcott etc is but the work of unprincipled hypocrites. given the way the rmt inquiry ended, with the complaint apparently withdrawn by caroline leneghan, it's not surprising that some people, perhaps many people, consider steve hedley guilty. but as the complaint hasn't been tested by any competent body a better way out of this situation could have been to say that while the suspicion of domestic violence hangs over him, steve hedley should not be considered as a candidate in part because of any opprobrium that might attach to the tusc. but then i can't say ever noticed swappies or swappies who exchange the swp for another organisation with similar politics have ever been associated with great honesty.
 
Well, a start would be that 1 in 20 men are rapists.

Your figures are from where?

I would suggest that rapists are by definition misogynists, so that's at least 5%.

The act of rape suggests misogyny, not you.


What claim? That many members of the RMT are misogynists. Why would they not be...

Surely a better question is "why would they be?", unless you're opining that simply existing as a male under patriarchy is indicative of misogyny?

Does being a member of the RMT suddenly make you not hate women?

Does being a member suddenly make you a misogynist?

I suspect many members of the RMT are also racists, homophobes and transphobes.

Many implies a majority.
Your suspicions, by the way, are irrelevant. What's important are facts.

Comes with the territory of a large member base, because there is lots of misogyny racism, homophobia and transphobia in society.

Thanks for that utterly quotidian "insight" into social relations. it doesn't, as you appear to think, provide support for your prior contentions/opinions, though. It just states a rather banal reality - that society isn't homogeneous, and that some people "other" some other people, for whatever lunatic reason.
 
Well, a start would be that 1 in 20 men are rapists.

Your figures are from where?

I would suggest that rapists are by definition misogynists, so that's at least 5%.

The act of rape suggests misogyny, not you.


What claim? That many members of the RMT are misogynists. Why would they not be...

Surely a better question is "why would they be?", unless you're opining that simply existing as a male under patriarchy is indicative of misogyny?

Does being a member of the RMT suddenly make you not hate women?

Does being a member suddenly make you a misogynist?

I suspect many members of the RMT are also racists, homophobes and transphobes.

Many implies a majority.
Your suspicions, by the way, are irrelevant. What's important are facts.

Comes with the territory of a large member base, because there is lots of misogyny racism, homophobia and transphobia in society.

Thanks for that utterly quotidian "insight" into social relations. it doesn't, as you appear to think, provide support for your prior contentions/opinions, though. It just states a rather banal reality - that society isn't homogeneous, and that some people "other" some other people, for whatever lunatic reason.
 
so 13 academic studies that find in a range of 5-15% of men are sexually violent might all have flawed methodology?

Which study do you approve of the methodology of that gives different figures?

Disingenuous. He hasn't claimed that any have flawed methodology. he's said he won't form an opinion until he can see for himself what the "methodologies etc" are. Exactly the same as anyone with the skill to read a research paper would and should. Sounding off without checking the dataset, and what the dataset has been deployed to say is the work of an idiot.
 
Steve Hedley was cleared of all alleged acts, the woman in question had severe problems and the abuse was found to be completely fabricated.
 
Bear with me I'll find the links .. (As an aside I know both parties personally).. apparently injuries sustained were mainly self-inflicted .. will dig out sources.
 
It was printed in The Times that he had been cleared over the allegations..the "hearing " that you say hasn't taken place took the form of Police Interviews iirc
ETA: An investigation and 2 appeals were carried out by the RMT at the request of the alleged (at the time) victim.. Hedley was found "not guilty " or having no case to answer each time.
 
I'll need to ask and find out... they certainly established that there was no case to answer.
 
Bear with me I'll find the links .. (As an aside I know both parties personally).. apparently injuries sustained were mainly self-inflicted .. will dig out sources.
Nothing you have posted so far proves this. Also, your bit about her having 'severe problems' sounds rather like the line of investigation (by rmt) that she objected to.

As with any case like this, it's wrong to castigate the accused without grounds, but equally it's wrong to come out with stuff like this without good evidence.
 
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