How many men are misogynists would you say?
Former SWP members plan to sabotage Steve Hedley's TUSC campaign
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SpineyNorman
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Are any women misogynists? I know a few who have pretty dodgy views on womens liberation, rape etc.
q_w_e_r_t_y
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Well, a start would be that 1 in 20 men are rapists. I would suggest that rapists are by definition misogynists, so that's at least 5%.
What claim? That many members of the RMT are misogynists. Why would they not be. Does being a member of the RMT suddenly make you not hate women? I suspect many members of the RMT are also racists, homophobes and transphobes. Comes with the territory of a large member base, because there is lots of misogyny racism, homophobia and transphobia in society.
Charmed.
Good question. I would argue no, but I think its a moot point, I think women take the patriarchal bargain, in which playing by given rules gains them power within a patriarchal society. Katie Hopkins is a clear case of this.
SpineyNorman
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So men do it because they're chauvinist pigs while women do it out of some kind of pragmatic bargain with the patriarchy? You sound like a bit of a sexist to me.
The women I know with dodgy views have, if anything, less power than I do. And my power is the square root of fuck all.
The women I know with dodgy views have, if anything, less power than I do. And my power is the square root of fuck all.
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
No, not because men are chauvinist pigs, but because they hold power and refuse to give it up. Women do not have that power under patriarchy, therefore collude with it to grow their own power within a system which is rigged against them rather than fighting against the system.
SpineyNorman
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How do you know? Have you asked them? What power do I have that I refuse to give up? I wasn't aware I even had the option. The women I know stand no chance whatsoever of 'growing their own power within a system which is rigged against them' simply by holding dodgy views. And I mean seriously dodgy actual genuine rape apologism - stuff they get shit off me and others for - they'd probably get an easier ride if they didn't hold those views. Do you want me to give an example?
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Starry Wisdom
tbh the more you post the weaker your understanding of the society in which we live appears. btw hedley isn't a de facto leader of the rmt; as an elected official he is a de jure leader.
J Ed
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Good thing we can all hide behind our computers and tumblr blogs instead! Nothing bad will happen then!
Blagsta
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Are they? What makes you say that?
barney_pig
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No evidence just a nasty little bigot hiding behind a fake feminism to justify smashing unions
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
The disciplinary committee of the SWP which investigated Smith was almost all women. These women grew their power by colluding to cover up a rape. Exposing that rape jeopardized their power within the organisation and the power of the organisation which they held power within.
SpineyNorman
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I reckon 20 men have posted on this thread so far.
Which one of you is it? It's not fucking me so it must be one of you lot
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Starry Wisdom
you're like ol' dr jazzz
SpineyNorman
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That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said.
And they weren't worried about 'jeopardizing their power' within the SWP. Though this may be difficult for you or I to swallow, they genuinely didn't believe he'd done it - that's the problem when you let an alleged rapists' mates decide the verdict.
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Starry Wisdom
I don't think Hedley is going to win the RMT election tbh. I fucking hope not anyway. It'd be an utter disaster for them if he did.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its why kangaroo courts are bloody well called so. Thats the thing with Delta gate that always gets me- she took it to the party in good faith. Any rational org would have suspended him and told her to take it to the OB. But no...is it fair to say you like a drink?
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q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
1 in 20 is the most conservative estimate....
Estimates of the percentage of men who acknowledge committing rape and attempted
rape have come from studies that ask questions about sexually violent behavior without
labeling such behavior as “rape” or “assault.”
OFFENSE TYPE PERCENT REFERENCE
sexual assault & rape 12.0 Rapaport & Burkhart, 1984
rape, attempted rape, & sexual 9.2 Koss, Leonard, Beezley & Oros, 1985
assault, rape 6.0 Mosher & Anderson, 1986
rape, attempted rape, & sexual 9.0 Koss, Gidycz, & Wisniewski, 1987
assault rape & sexual assault9.9 Greendlinger & Byrne, 1987
Rape 6.1 Kosson, Kelly & White, 1997
rape, attempted rape, & sexual 14.9 Lisak & Roth, 1988
assault, rape10.0 Rubenzahl & Corcoran, 1998
rape & attempted rape 8.8 Ouimette & Riggs, 1998
rape & attempted rape 14.8 Merrill et al., 1998
rape 6.0 Collings, 1999
rape 4.8 Weiss & Zverina, 1999
rape 5.0 Spitzberg, 1999
rape & attempted rape 6.5 Lisak & Miller, (2002)
Blagsta
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I'm none the wiser.
If you could say where you c&p'd that from? Give a useful answer?
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
Blagsta
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Still not useful as I can't see the papers that refer too to look at methodology etc.
barney_pig
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So the men in the rmt are rapists and misogynists, and the women are supporters of rapists and misogynists.
Why do you think a rail union should be so especially full of such unpleasant people?
Why do you think a rail union should be so especially full of such unpleasant people?
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
so 13 academic studies that find in a range of 5-15% of men are sexually violent might all have flawed methodology?
Which study do you approve of the methodology of that gives different figures?
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
No, I think that they are found in the RMT at roughly the same rate as in the general population.
SpineyNorman
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I was told by an RMT member the other day that Alex Gordon was the favourite.
Blagsta
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I don't know if they have flawed methodology or not. I don't know if they say what that pdf you linked to purports that they say, not having read them.
I did look up an abstract of one study (personality and attitudinal characteristics of sexually coercive college males), I'm still none the wider as to how the group was selected and what the questions were. Does the full paper state these things?
Blagsta
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I'm not believing or disbelieving because I still can't see how the figures were arrived at.
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