Food Banks not necessary says Cameron
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you're expected to eat your jumper.
or sat 7 hours a day in the Jobcentre. Given IDS's behaviour at the debate I'm now convinced this shit will happen, along with the removal of the work related activity group.
If they start really restriciting people beyond need there will be riots t the front door.
my theory is that such people are themselves as defensive as they view the people they criticise. These are the people who tell people struggling to 'stop feeling sorry for themselves' and that 'other people manage'. These are statements used to deflect introspection because the resultatn self examination will reveal they are just as confused and frightened and insecure as everyone. They are in denial. Deep down they must know how fucked up the world has become but they don't want to face it.
Or they are cunts.
Exacrtly; people don't realise how fraught benefits make life. If you're on the dole you cannot plan ahead because you don't even know from one fortnight to the next if your income will be stopped. People in work don't get treated like that; do your job badly and, presuming you don't rape your boss's cat, you will get at least a notice period of redudancy. JSA doesn't work that way and they can stop your money, on a whime, at a moments notice and leave you to try and sort it out. It was labour that changed the system to presume guilt first; prior someone whose jobsearching efforts were 'doubted' was still paid until a final decision was made (ie during the period they could appeal the decision and present their case).As long as nothing goes wrong your benefits turn up on time you or the kids dont need shoes or clothes etc etc you can survivie just but anything goes wrong and your stuffed.
remember we are all in this together
Ask you MP how much their Christmas dinner will cost.
Dexter Deadwood @DexterDeadwood1m
How much will your Christmas dinner cost? @jowellt #Foodbanks #Sanctions #Brixton #DWP #JSA #ESA #WorkProgramme #Workfare
Dexter Deadwood @DexterDeadwood1m
How much will your Christmas dinner cost? @jowellt #Foodbanks #Sanctions #Brixton #DWP #JSA #ESA #WorkProgramme #Workfare
They already know and just don't care. Their pilot schemes have shown people to struggle in precisely this way. IDS of course doesn't care.I was reading about the Introduction of the Universal Benefit scheme where claimants will be paid monthly instead of the current fortnightly system. The last time I regularly signed-on I was alway broke a couple of days before my giro was due, I dread to think what kind of prelonged destitution a monthly payment scheme will cause.
Isn't it also interesting that the foodbank dbeate has now ignored the fact that foodbanks were and are designed only for short term support. Did McVey acknowledge this at all? Do the tories even realise this (as if they'd care)? People cannot be expected to rely on them - big society or no - because that is not how they were designed. You get 3 visits a year and then...well fuck knows!
Neither do they; they have yet to put that to the test.
Him again? Fatty Shelbrooke with a fist full of soverieng rings? I checked up his expenses last time the BBC gave him an hour's free publicity on this stupid bollocks (including sycophantic support from the odious torture apologist David Vance), his office receives Sky TV paid for on expenses and I think the state also pays for his second home to have a TV license.
Actually I love his idea; it's so fantastically stupid and unworkable that it's clear evidence of the malevolent incompetence of tories and how those at the bottom of their food chain want to be the pack alpha.
How would people pay for buses? What happens if you lose your card? What if you want to reserve a book from the library (not free), or use their printer for a CV? Or any number of other things that shut this stupid idea down.
It occurs to me this thread is actually quite old
Oh fuck it.
More likely the library.
The Tory ideology is that people should help themselves. (And that they, the Tory politicians, should help themselves to your money, but that's for another thread.) But they don't understand that people need helping when they're down. They think that people should fall back on savings and friends and family. But savings run out. And friends and family are often in similar situations. And it's expensive to help someone.
_angel_
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IDS wants this to be monthly because that's how he thinks people budget "in the real world" because he's never lived on a zero hours contract or anything like that. He doesn't understand the concept of being paid weekly, daily, or just not at all.
Isn't it also interesting that the foodbank dbeate has now ignored the fact that foodbanks were and are designed only for short term support. Did McVey acknowledge this at all? Do the tories even realise this (as if they'd care)? People cannot be expected to rely on them - big society or no - because that is not how they were designed. You get 3 visits a year and then...well fuck knows!
Neither do they; they have yet to put that to the test.
Him again? Fatty Shelbrooke with a fist full of soverieng rings? I checked up his expenses last time the BBC gave him an hour's free publicity on this stupid bollocks (including sycophantic support from the odious torture apologist David Vance), his office receives Sky TV paid for on expenses and I think the state also pays for his second home to have a TV license.
Actually I love his idea; it's so fantastically stupid and unworkable that it's clear evidence of the malevolent incompetence of tories and how those at the bottom of their food chain want to be the pack alpha.
How would people pay for buses? What happens if you lose your card? What if you want to reserve a book from the library (not free), or use their printer for a CV? Or any number of other things that shut this stupid idea down.
It occurs to me this thread is actually quite old
Oh fuck it.
As for the the "benefits card" not working. The fact something won't work has never stopped a politician wanting it. It only "won't work" for the people it's intended to hurt, by which logic, it DOES "work".
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So she lives in the heart of "family values" blue rinse territory, then (according to Greebo)?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The unions aren't useless, they're neutered.
IDS has never understood the concept of being paid. The money has never run out. Whether it's his generous salary as an MP, his ministerial salary for being an abject failure, the money enjoyed by his in laws' family or their land subsidy.
Nothing this man has set out to do has succeeded. Not one aspect of his welfare reforms - enacted at the worst possible economic time - has achieved anything other than the most miserable outcome. I dont' remember what the success rate for the Work Programme is, but surely these high flying tory self mad heroes cannot htink 22% is anything but a joke. That's less than 1 in 4.
Even by their own standards these wankers have failed. The only people that support them are the sycophants and idiots with whom they form some kind of horrible symbiosis. These are the parasites that run their constituency offices, student groups and generally depend on their worldview and their position for their own lives. Like ticks.
Nothing this man has set out to do has succeeded. Not one aspect of his welfare reforms - enacted at the worst possible economic time - has achieved anything other than the most miserable outcome. I dont' remember what the success rate for the Work Programme is, but surely these high flying tory self mad heroes cannot htink 22% is anything but a joke. That's less than 1 in 4.
Even by their own standards these wankers have failed. The only people that support them are the sycophants and idiots with whom they form some kind of horrible symbiosis. These are the parasites that run their constituency offices, student groups and generally depend on their worldview and their position for their own lives. Like ticks.
Something somewhere has got to give though, surely?
Didn't they recently reject an increase in the cost of the food that was instead passed on as a cut in the wages of the staff that serve them their meals?
Shelbrooke only wants it because he's out to make a name for himself. He's from the tory 'independent trader' breed. The type we have around here that will insure there's always a tory in power (labour has no chance locally). Rich fuckers with the power to buy up local properties and businesses and make a name for themselves as big fish in little ponds. John Derek Trotter Galt.
Of course practicalities such as the sheer unworkability of the scheme are mere trifles to these idiots. But this scheme is particularly ludicrous. Even shopping in Tescos and the like would have to be changed because those self service machines would need to be programmed to reject the card when trying to purchase 'proscribed' items which could include verything from booze, fags and scratchcards to white goods and dvd's.
I think what annoyed me more was that the BBC gave this guy so much coverage: he got half an hour with Nicky Campbell on the Big Questions (along with David Vance who patronised the shit out of some young woman who tried explaining what it's really like on the dole), and then a few days later on his radio phone in where James Delingprick was invited to come on and defend it. I rang up and complained; did fuck all though
I rang up and complained; did fuck all though
I'm sorry, but if you can afford to fritter away your dole on ringing up...
Seriously, well done for trying.
I'm sorry, but if you can afford to fritter away your dole on ringing up...
Seriously, well done for trying.
It's not much of an effort. Ring up the programme and shout at the producer. The alternative is the BBC complaints department, which is a 1 minute answering machine.
Local radio is worse. The ignorance broadcast by BBC bristol's own morning phone in is pathetic.
Food bank debate saw Iain Duncan Smith and Esther McVey write their own political obituaries
The missing ministers and the jeering of Tories in the chamber showed new levels of contempt for
Ian Duncan Smith smirks as his deputy Esther McVey gives her speech
BBC
This government likes to show contempt for the poor its policies have created.
Yesterday was no exception as Tory ministers once again revealed their true nasty colours in the Commons.
Heartless Iain Duncan Smith and Esther McVey, a couple of nonentities relishing dirty jobs gifted to them by David Cameron, enjoy comfortable lifestyles yet spend their days making life harder for working people.
In a calculated snub they both vanished from the frontbench during a debate on the rise in foodbanks , the growth of which illustrates the crisis in living standards. But their actions were also a colossal misjudgment.
This undynamic duo represent Callous Conservatisim at its worst, a creed which doesn't give a damn about the plight of poor families.
Most of those struggling to pay bills in Britain are in work, doing jobs which fail to pay a living wage.
The missing ministers wouldn't get out of bed for what many people earn in a week.
Duncan Smith and McVey yesterday wrote their own political obituaries.
- Find out about our Christmas appeal supporting the Trussell Trust, who run a network of food banks across the UK .
Sickening, sickening, though I well remember important welfare debates under NL which were charactised by low attendance, ministers disappearing, et, but not this disgusting sneering.
Hoylake is very posh.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Greebo reckons Meols is posher, and Hoylake is a bit more "middle-class small 'c' conservatives, and people who think they're better than they actually are" (I'm paraphrasing).
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That side of the Wirral is very posh indeed, but then you would expect it to be given that its an enclave with the Wool-Scouse alliance on one side and the Meibion on the other.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As I've said many a time, I don't even trust Labour to keep manifesto pledges, let alone to let themselves be held to quasi-socialist sentiments expressed by a shadow cabinet member to look good in Hansard.
We don't need to be holding them to their words, we need to be hanging them from the London fucking Eye, the gobshite moneygrubber fuckbags.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
I though foodbanks were the natural result of the Big fucking Society idea that charities should fill the gaps left by low paying employers and shrinking benefits. Cameron is making food banks necessary.
And to call IDS 'embattled'; makes it sound as if he's a good man in trying circumstances doing his best and not the evil pig ignorant shitstain lying conniving bullying cunt that we all know and hate.
Yes. The trouble is that if most people in the area are feeling the pinch, they're unlikely to be able to spare enough to donate to food banks etc on a regular basis. You get a similar problem finding volunteers to do community work (fundraising, youth groups etc) when they're having to work as many hours as they can get just to make ends meet.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/18/teena...ns-then-gives-it-to-families-in-need-4235826/
Teenager collected 600 pounds of food from vouchers and then gives it all to food banks.
Teenager collected 600 pounds of food from vouchers and then gives it all to food banks.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
The Tories are trolling the shit out of us cos they know they are gonna lose. But Labour seem as equally invested in the race to the bottom.
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