equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I think he was so arrogant and entitled he just did it anyway, because he's so brilliant and everything. Fuck consequences, they're for the little people not him.
Filth by name. . .
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
People shouldn't leave their shit lying around in public places.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Wtf?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Expensive lumps of metal. If you leave them out in the street, tough shit if they get fucked up. If I left my laptop out in the street, I’d have no right to be angry if it got stolen or smashed. Same with cars. Should be treated like litter.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Clearly the residents fault they can't afford driveways and garages...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They expected them to not kill anyone.
Time was they'd have known the area, known the kids and their families, could have maybe come up with some kind of middle ground somewhere between doing fuck all and chasing these kids to their deaths.
The main reason kids being reckless with bikes and scooters is a problem is that they're putting themselves at risk. Any police intervention that increases that risk is obviously based on shit priorities, on thinking more about these kids being a nuisance to the general public than them being an existential threat to themselves.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I disagree with this, for two reasons.
Firstly there is a lot more effort in marketing and making available these sorts of things to kids nowadays - there are far more of them about on the roads so there is going to be more misuse of them.
Secondly, the cops not taking action solely because of the risk to the rider(s) nearly always results in more risks being taken by the riders, because they are incentivized to create risk in order to end a pursuit. I've no idea about South Wales, but down here it used to be a fairly regular thing that kids on mopeds would take their helmets off and go onto the pavement / into the oncoming lane because they thought this would cause the cops to break off the pursuit irrespective of what they had actually done.
Knowing that they can be (depending on the circumstances, with the more serious tactics reserved for the most serious crimes) chased, have a stinger thrown in their path, have the helicopter follow them around or even collided with by a traffic car has reduced in fewer pursuits of powered two wheelers, fewer crimes where they are used to carry out said crimes and ultimately fewer deaths of riders.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You're confusing, 'not taking action that's likely to create a bigger risk to the public' with, 'not taking any action at all'. You seem to share my opinion of option one.
Absolutely anyone with half a fucking brain knows you can't catch a bike or a scooter with a van in an urban area.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Samantha Lee, the former PC barred from ever being a PC again due to her botching of the Couzens exposure investigation, has hit back saying she's being made a scapegoat by the Met:
www.theguardian.com
On the one hand, she's probably not wrong given the police history of hanging people out to dry when it suits them, on the other hand no-one else has had to answer for any systemic failures that allowed Couzens to flourish as a sex offender in plain sight and in uniform.
She still botched the investigation though, as I said before. I still find it astounding that there's no national database of serving police officers.
Met PC barred over botched Wayne Couzens inquiry says she is a scapegoat
Samantha Lee accuses Met of ‘throwing her under the bus’ rather than tackling institutional and vetting failures
On the one hand, she's probably not wrong given the police history of hanging people out to dry when it suits them, on the other hand no-one else has had to answer for any systemic failures that allowed Couzens to flourish as a sex offender in plain sight and in uniform.
She still botched the investigation though, as I said before. I still find it astounding that there's no national database of serving police officers.
savoloysam
Ready to move into the light
Samantha Lee, the former PC barred from ever being a PC again due to her botching of the Couzens exposure investigation, has hit back saying she's being made a scapegoat by the Met:
Met PC barred over botched Wayne Couzens inquiry says she is a scapegoat
Samantha Lee accuses Met of ‘throwing her under the bus’ rather than tackling institutional and vetting failures
On the one hand, she's probably not wrong given the police history of hanging people out to dry when it suits them, on the other hand no-one else has had to answer for any systemic failures that allowed Couzens to flourish as a sex offender in plain sight and in uniform.
She still botched the investigation though, as I said before. I still find it astounding that there's no national database of serving police officers.
Not just her either is it? He had a nasty reputation and no doubt instead of taking it seriously his colleagues probably laughed a long with his actions as "office banter"
It fucking stinks.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Small but important point here;
Ebikes
An ebike is otherwise known as an e-assist bike, you must pedal it and the motor assists you.
The things you see Deliveroo guys zooming around on, bikes with motors added, that go by pushing a button even if you don’t pedal, they are electric motorbikes, and as such need a licence, tax, insurance, running lights, helmet and everything else a petrol motorcycle needs.
The police and papers seem to not know the difference between the two.
Ebikes
An ebike is otherwise known as an e-assist bike, you must pedal it and the motor assists you.
The things you see Deliveroo guys zooming around on, bikes with motors added, that go by pushing a button even if you don’t pedal, they are electric motorbikes, and as such need a licence, tax, insurance, running lights, helmet and everything else a petrol motorcycle needs.
The police and papers seem to not know the difference between the two.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Serving Metropolitan Police officer, PC Callum Utley aged 24, who is attached to the West Area Command Unit covering Ealing, Hounslow and Hillingdon, has been charged with rape after an alleged off duty incident in Buckinghamshire in 2019.
PC Callum Utley, who has been suspended from duty, is due to appear at High Wycombe Magistrates’ Court on 25 May 2023.
(Source: as stated in image)
Serving Metropolitan Police officer PC Callum Utley has, through his legal representatives, indicated a not guilty plea to a single charge of rape allegedly committed between 1 July 2019 and 31 December 31 2019 in Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, while he was off duty.
PC Callum Utley's case has now been sent to Aylesbury Crown Court for a plea and trial preparation hearing on 26 June 2023.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
The Metropolitan Police are sorry ... again:
Mia Janin: Metropolitan Police admit losing evidence in teen suicide case
(Source: Family Handout)
Metropolitan Police spokesperson: "We are extremely sorry that these items have not yet been located and have apologised directly to Mia's family for the added distress this has caused."
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I mean Jesus Christ on a pogostick this is really really basic stuff.
Each item is sealed in its bag to prevent cross-contamination.. All items are then put in a box to stop them getting lost or mixed up with other cases. All boxes are numbered with 1 of X, 2 of X etc as required. There's a list of all of evidence which lists everything and which box it's in..I mean, this is fricking obvious basic cataloguing that is not fucking difficult.
This is what the police has been doing for decades. They should know how to do this right by now.
Each item is sealed in its bag to prevent cross-contamination.. All items are then put in a box to stop them getting lost or mixed up with other cases. All boxes are numbered with 1 of X, 2 of X etc as required. There's a list of all of evidence which lists everything and which box it's in..I mean, this is fricking obvious basic cataloguing that is not fucking difficult.
This is what the police has been doing for decades. They should know how to do this right by now.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
DI Warren Arter has been fired for buying and distributing drugs in exchange for sex.
Met inspector fired after ‘buying drugs and offering to supply them’
DI Warren Arter is the latest in a string of Met officers to be dismissed from the scandal-hit forcewww.standard.co.uk
According to a Sun article (I won't link directly) he has been suspended from work on full-pay since 2017 (six and a half years), earning 60k a year.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Imagine losing your daughter to suicide, four months later your partner to cancer and then having to deal with the blathering incompetence of the police.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I can't even roll my eyes on this one. I'd be wanting answers about why it's taken them so fucking long to fire him - even by their standards this has taken forever. I'd also want to know what criminal charges were brought against him, and if not why the fuck not.
I was both angry and heartbroken for the poor poor man in equal measure. The actions (or lack thereof) of the police are pouring salt into the wounds of his grief.
Is it me or are they getting worse not better as 2023 progresses?
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
They have always been bad, but there is more exposure and scrutiny atm
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If they don't do it it is deliberate
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
That's so fricking exploitative.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Let's just say fucking instead of using an American euphemism which should have been dumped in the Mariana trenchThat's so fricking exploitative.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Please Protect Abraham – Met failures/witness protection failures
A link to this BBC R4 series probably belongs here, about Abraham Badru, who bravely testified in a rape trial and was later murdered, having received death threats from associates of the criminals he helped send to jail. Abraham was utterly failed by any sort of witness protection and one of the biggest failings was on the part of the Met, both in terms of failure to take action and in record-keeping of what little action they did take.Or failure to produce such records in court.
www.bbc.co.uk
It’s a long and slightly complicated story. He was never given a risk assessment. If you don’t want to listen to the whole thing, at least listen to episode 9, about the inquest, where the fatal inaction of the police is highlighted from about 6 minutes in:
Please Protect Abraham - 9. Inquest - BBC Sounds
Note how the DI (Jonathan Birks? Burkes?) giving written evidence ‘updates’ his first statement which conveniently downplayed the extent of police knowledge of the seriousness of Abraham’s risk before the trial - presumably having had his memory jogged when subsequently shown letters he wrote at the time. There are glaring omissions and contradictions: the officer says he never saw evidence of death threats but Abraham’s mother was there when he was shown the texts; the officer says Abraham declined special measures and opted to give evidence in open court but his mother said he was never given the option.
Also shocking is the police inaction later, when Abraham requests police assistance following acts of intimidation by associates of the criminals.
How can the Met deny it’s institutionally racist?
A link to this BBC R4 series probably belongs here, about Abraham Badru, who bravely testified in a rape trial and was later murdered, having received death threats from associates of the criminals he helped send to jail. Abraham was utterly failed by any sort of witness protection and one of the biggest failings was on the part of the Met, both in terms of failure to take action and in record-keeping of what little action they did take.
BBC Sounds - Please Protect Abraham - Available Episodes
Listen to the latest episodes of Please Protect Abraham on BBC Sounds.
www.bbc.co.uk
It’s a long and slightly complicated story. He was never given a risk assessment. If you don’t want to listen to the whole thing, at least listen to episode 9, about the inquest, where the fatal inaction of the police is highlighted from about 6 minutes in:
Please Protect Abraham - 9. Inquest - BBC Sounds
Note how the DI (Jonathan Birks? Burkes?) giving written evidence ‘updates’ his first statement which conveniently downplayed the extent of police knowledge of the seriousness of Abraham’s risk before the trial - presumably having had his memory jogged when subsequently shown letters he wrote at the time. There are glaring omissions and contradictions: the officer says he never saw evidence of death threats but Abraham’s mother was there when he was shown the texts; the officer says Abraham declined special measures and opted to give evidence in open court but his mother said he was never given the option.
Also shocking is the police inaction later, when Abraham requests police assistance following acts of intimidation by associates of the criminals.
How can the Met deny it’s institutionally racist?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It is institutionally mendacious, that's howPlease Protect Abraham – Met failures/witness protection failures
A link to this BBC R4 series probably belongs here, about Abraham Badru, who bravely testified in a rape trial and was later murdered, having received death threats from associates of the criminals he helped send to jail. Abraham was utterly failed by any sort of witness protection and one of the biggest failings was on the part of the Met, both in terms of failure to take action and in record-keeping of what little action they did take.Or failure to produce such records in court.
BBC Sounds - Please Protect Abraham - Available Episodes
Listen to the latest episodes of Please Protect Abraham on BBC Sounds.
It’s a long and slightly complicated story. He was never given a risk assessment. If you don’t want to listen to the whole thing, at least listen to episode 9, about the inquest, where the fatal inaction of the police is highlighted from about 6 minutes in:
Please Protect Abraham - 9. Inquest - BBC Sounds
Note how the DI (Jonathan Birks? Burkes?) giving written evidence ‘updates’ his first statement which conveniently downplayed the extent of police knowledge of the seriousness of Abraham’s risk before the trial - presumably having had his memory jogged when subsequently shown letters he wrote at the time. There are glaring omissions and contradictions: the officer says he never saw evidence of death threats but Abraham’s mother was there when he was shown the texts; the officer says Abraham declined special measures and opted to give evidence in open court but his mother said he was never given the option.
Also shocking is the police inaction later, when Abraham requests police assistance following acts of intimidation by associates of the criminals.
How can the Met deny it’s institutionally racist?
equationgirl
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sir Mark Rowley winning friends and influencing people again, although this time he might have a point. It's estimated that the Met officers spent 1 million hours waiting with people to be seen by a healthcare professional last year, after 999 is called. This meant that only 30% of 999 calls were crime related.
www.theguardian.com
He's said that the Met will no longer be responding to mental health calls, that the NHS can no longer dump that part of its work on police.
Will more funding be allocated to mental health services to help with this, I wonder? (Don't worry, I know the answer to this).
Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls
Exclusive: move will come into force on 31 August and will only be waived if a threat to life is feared
He's said that the Met will no longer be responding to mental health calls, that the NHS can no longer dump that part of its work on police.
Will more funding be allocated to mental health services to help with this, I wonder? (Don't worry, I know the answer to this).
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
when state agencies argue between themselves about who's got the resources to save lives it seems fittingly emblematic of neoliberalismsir Mark Rowley winning friends and influencing people again, although this time he might have a point. It's estimated that the Met officers spent 1 million hours waiting with people to be seen by a healthcare professional last year, after 999 is called. This meant that only 30% of 999 calls were crime related.
Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls
Exclusive: move will come into force on 31 August and will only be waived if a threat to life is feared
He's said that the Met will no longer be responding to mental health calls, that the NHS can no longer dump that part of its work on police.
Will more funding be allocated to mental health services to help with this, I wonder? (Don't worry, I know the answer to this).
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Don't know how that's going to work. People tend to call the police when someone is acting dangerously or weirdly in a public place (section 136) or if neighbors or people in a dwelling feel a person needs help (section 135). I did 5 years of acute admissions and had a lot of dealings with the police. a member of CRT is not going to be able legally to bring someone to a place of safety if they don't want to.sir Mark Rowley winning friends and influencing people again, although this time he might have a point. It's estimated that the Met officers spent 1 million hours waiting with people to be seen by a healthcare professional last year, after 999 is called. This meant that only 30% of 999 calls were crime related.
Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls
Exclusive: move will come into force on 31 August and will only be waived if a threat to life is feared
He's said that the Met will no longer be responding to mental health calls, that the NHS can no longer dump that part of its work on police.
Will more funding be allocated to mental health services to help with this, I wonder? (Don't worry, I know the answer to this).
savoloysam
Ready to move into the light
sir Mark Rowley winning friends and influencing people again, although this time he might have a point. It's estimated that the Met officers spent 1 million hours waiting with people to be seen by a healthcare professional last year, after 999 is called. This meant that only 30% of 999 calls were crime related.
Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls
Exclusive: move will come into force on 31 August and will only be waived if a threat to life is feared
He's said that the Met will no longer be responding to mental health calls, that the NHS can no longer dump that part of its work on police.
Will more funding be allocated to mental health services to help with this, I wonder? (Don't worry, I know the answer to this).
A tad ironic seeing that police themselves cause some people to have mental health issues.
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