Filth by name. . .

[Orang Utan]

I don’t

 

[Orang Utan]

Soz, equationgirl - now realise you were being sarcastic

 

[equationgirl]

Soz, equationgirl - now realise you were being sarcastic

that's ok, I need to be clearer when I am being sarcastic I think.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

It’s kind of reasonable to run away from the police though, isn’t it? I have done in the past

I guess it depends what you did wrong…but you should take at least a little responsibility for your safety if you chose to do it. He was 34..not a kid on a bike.

 

[equationgirl]

I'm expecting lots of 'sorry we slightly overreacted and tasered someone ' news articles over the next few weeks.

 

[Orang Utan]

I guess it depends what you did wrong…but you should take at least a little responsibility for your safety if you chose to do it. He was 34..not a kid on a bike.

I hadn’t done anything wrong. If people chase you, it’s natural to run away from them.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, very unfortunate, but it's difficult though, isn't it?...someone acting suspiciously in the early hours and flees...a chase is authorised (presumably unlike Cardiff). The guy could have had a knife and been looking for students to stab...in those cases we expect the police to intervene...the guy jumps over a wall onto the tracks and fries himself on the live rail and is found some time later by a helicopter...so we can assume the coppers weren't exactly in hot pursuit at the time of the fatality.

No we can't

 

[existentialist]

I think after Nottingham every police force in the country is on edge and hypervigilant especially in the early hours and if someone appears to acting unusually or erratically I can totally understand the police be extra cautious with public safety and being a bit full on.

And yet I note that the suspect now turns out to be known to the police, and to have mental health issues.

Don't for a minute assume that I am excusing his actions on that basis, but we are looking, quite possibly, at yet another example of the cost of not addressing mental health issues properly, promptly, and effectively.

Too often, I have seen and heard how ineffective interventions, broken promises, and downright cruelty on the part of the mental health system have left sufferers feeling marginalised, excluded, and experiencing the full sense of our societal disdain for anyone who doesn't just pull themselves together and get back to being a useful little worker ant.

It is inevitable that some small proportion of those end up resorting to extreme behaviours. Of course, many, many more will have resorted to rather less scaring-the-horses behaviours, like killing themselves (see the suicide rates lately?), but of course those don't matter, because they don't really affect "us".

 

[existentialist]

I'm expecting lots of 'sorry we slightly overreacted and tasered someone ' news articles over the next few weeks.

That's only if it gets as far as needing an apology. I suspect what will happen a lot more will be the usual denial, obfuscation, misdirection, victim-blaming, and only then some kind of half-hearted "sorry we got caught" apology.

 

[teqniq]

And yet I note that the suspect now turns out to be known to the police, and to have mental health issues.

Don't for a minute assume that I am excusing his actions on that basis, but we are looking, quite possibly, at yet another example of the cost of not addressing mental health issues properly, promptly, and effectively.

Too often, I have seen and heard how ineffective interventions, broken promises, and downright cruelty on the part of the mental health system have left sufferers feeling marginalised, excluded, and experiencing the full sense of our societal disdain for anyone who doesn't just pull themselves together and get back to being a useful little worker ant.

It is inevitable that some small proportion of those end up resorting to extreme behaviours. Of course, many, many more will have resorted to rather less scaring-the-horses behaviours, like killing themselves (see the suicide rates lately?), but of course those don't matter, because they don't really affect "us".

Mental health services were the first in line for NHS cuts at great cost to us all. May possibly be deserving of it's own thread.

 

[existentialist]

Mental health services were the first in line for NHS cuts at great cost to us all. May possibly be deserving of it's own thread.

And it's been like that for decades. Scum as the current incumbents are, they're not alone in this. Mental Health services have been a Cinderella for as long as I have had any involvement with them.

Which is awful from a personal point of view, and awful from a moral point of view. But it's also pretty stupid from a societal - AND a financial - point of view. Which is what we're seeing with the police saying they're no longer prepared to pick up the slack. It might be a stopped-clock moment (let's face it, the police rarely show insight or nuance), but it does at least help bring the failings of the system into plain view. Which isn't much help for people experiencing crises of mental health, but maybe this is a bit of a "lancing the boil" moment. Or would be, if we had a government which gave any kind of a shit about people's lives other than their own.

 

[pbsmooth]

It’s kind of reasonable to run away from the police though, isn’t it? I have done in the past

so if you were driving a car and the police are asking you to stop, you would drive off? and then run away when you crashed the car? I mean... FYI for your own future safety that probably isn't best practice.

 

[Pickman's model]

so if you were driving a car and the police are asking you to stop, you would drive off? and then run away when you crashed the car? I mean... FYI for your own future safety that probably isn't best practice.

I've seen people assaulted by the police while in police custody and we all know of people who've been killed by the police in public so tbf you're talking put of your arse. Again

 

[Orang Utan]

so if you were driving a car and the police are asking you to stop, you would drive off? and then run away when you crashed the car? I mean... FYI for your own future safety that probably isn't best practice.

No, I don’t drive.

 

[two sheds]

Even more likely that you'd be picked up for not being in control of a car

 

[tony.c]

Only one complaint out of 474 against Wiltshire police in year to April 2021 led to official disciplinary process.

Hundreds of complaints made against Wiltshire Police - one led to misconduct hearing

ONLY one out of hundreds of complaints about Wiltshire Police made within a 12 month period led to misconduct action.

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New Police Chief attempts to clean up Wiltshire police image.

Two officers sacked as new chief attempts to improve Wiltshire Police

TWO Wiltshire Police officers have been dismissed by the force's new Chief Constable, Catherine Roper.

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[tony.c]

Five allegations of violence against women by Wiltshire police officers being investigated.

Five Wiltshire Police officers faced allegations of violence against women

Wiltshire Police investigated five allegations of officers committing violence against women in six months.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk

 

[tony.c]

Former Wiltshire PC Christopher Grant accused of 'abusing position for sexual purposes'. He resigned before misconduct hearing.

Wiltshire Police officer accused of 'abusing position for sexual purposes'

A WILTSHIRE Police officer will next week answer allegations of abusing their position for sexual purposes.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk

Former Wiltshire Police Inspector fined for possessing illegal bestiality images.

Disgraced police officer spared jail after possessing bestiality images

A disgraced police inspector who won bravery awards before being found with extreme pornography has been spared jail.

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Former Wiltshire Police Sergeant resigned after investigation into repeated sexualised comments to female police officer.

Wiltshire Police sergeant guilty of making 'sexualised comments' to female officer

A hearing has found a former Wiltshire Police sergeant guilty of gross misconduct after he made sexual comments to a female police officer under his…

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[equationgirl]

And yet I note that the suspect now turns out to be known to the police, and to have mental health issues.

Don't for a minute assume that I am excusing his actions on that basis, but we are looking, quite possibly, at yet another example of the cost of not addressing mental health issues properly, promptly, and effectively.

Too often, I have seen and heard how ineffective interventions, broken promises, and downright cruelty on the part of the mental health system have left sufferers feeling marginalised, excluded, and experiencing the full sense of our societal disdain for anyone who doesn't just pull themselves together and get back to being a useful little worker ant.

It is inevitable that some small proportion of those end up resorting to extreme behaviours. Of course, many, many more will have resorted to rather less scaring-the-horses behaviours, like killing themselves (see the suicide rates lately?), but of course those don't matter, because they don't really affect "us".

You're absolutely right, I fear. This is a result of a lack of funding - proper levels of funding - over many years, and whilst asylum-based care absolutely needed reform, care in the community has been demonstrated to not be an adequate replacement for intensive nurturing mental health care in a ward situation.

Suicide rates are up for both men and women, young, middle-aged and old. Society is in crisis.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

yeh and they wonder why confidence in the police is so low

if i whacked someone once i'd be out of my job and it's really hard to get sacked where i work

Might there be mitigation if it was with a book on non-aggressive conflict resolution?

 

[equationgirl]

Only one complaint out of 474 against Wiltshire police in year to April 2021 led to official disciplinary process.
https;//www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20202317.hundreds-complaints-made-wiltshire-police-one-led-misconduct-hearing/

New Police Chief attempts to clean up Wiltshire police image.

Two officers sacked as new chief attempts to improve Wiltshire Police

TWO Wiltshire Police officers have been dismissed by the force's new Chief Constable, Catherine Roper.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk

ONE???? ONE???

 

[Orang Utan]

Even more likely that you'd be picked up for not being in control of a car

Because I’d be on a bicycle or on foot?

 

[two sheds]

So you admit you weren't in control of the car

 

[Orang Utan]

So you admit you weren't in control of the car

No cunts on me, drugstable

 

[Pickman's model]

Might there be mitigation if it was with a book on non-aggressive conflict resolution?

the size of some of those non-violence books would be more likely to act as an aggravating factor instead

 

[savoloysam]

You're absolutely right, I fear. This is a result of a lack of funding - proper levels of funding - over many years, and whilst asylum-based care absolutely needed reform, care in the community has been demonstrated to not be an adequate replacement for intensive nurturing mental health care in a ward situation.

Suicide rates are up for both men and women, young, middle-aged and old. Society is in crisis.

Correct. Two weeks before my suicide attempt I reported to both the crisis team and my local A&E that I was considering it and that also that I had ran out of my meds. The crisis team told me to go to the hospital and they both refused to section me based on all of the hospitals being full and also refused to provide me with any medication.

Naturally I walked out of the waiting room shouting if I commit suicide tonight it's going to be your fault and the only response was "we don't accept people shouting at us in the hospital"

 

[equationgirl]

Correct. Two weeks before my suicide attempt I reported to both the crisis team and my local A&E that I was considering it and that also that I had ran out of my meds. The crisis team told me to go to the hospital and the both refused to section me based on all of the hospitals being full and also refused to provide me with any medication.

Naturally I walked out of the waiting room shouting if I commit suicide tonight it's going your fault and the only response was "we don't accept people shouting at us in the hospital.

It honestly seems to me that there's only action once someone tries to commit suicide.

 

[savoloysam]

ONE???? ONE???

They cover themselves virtually every time. I've complained and been lied to and shoed away by the so called IOPC three times in the last year.

 

[savoloysam]

Whilst I am in a foul mood with these wankers I reported a sexual assault and gave a full interview Monday last week.

So far they have not even interviewed the person I made the allegations about. Useless wankers.

 

[Orang Utan]

so if you were driving a car and the police are asking you to stop, you would drive off? and then run away when you crashed the car? I mean... FYI for your own future safety that probably isn't best practice.

If you were minding your own business walking down a street late at night, and a car suddenly mounted the pavement in front of you and two burly fellas came out of it rudely asking you what you were doing, without identifying themselves, would you not be tempted to flee?