Feminism - where are the threads?
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JudithB
It's the way urban has always worked and its not a good thing.
When I first started out here I foolishly posted my opinions honestly about the so solid crew and was immediately labelled "racist" "classist" "ignorant" and an "idiot".
None of it was true, I just stupidly hadn't lurked enough and didn't realise you have to shut your mouth on this forum if you have the wrong opinion. It's safer to do that here unless you don't mind committing social suicide.
Once there were enough people willing to call me names openly, it became the done thing to bully, hound and harass me across all other threads, and it was seen as acceptable, nay, necessary to be seen as part on the in group. Threads that could have been good were deliberately derailed and turned into another feeding frenzy, much like this one.
No one said anything, of course. Cool kids get away with that.
Now, that had happened to me all through my school days so I knew how it worked and I knew why they were doing it. It's nothing to do with you Jude, it's just a way of virtue signaling the whole tough-man/cool-girl thing to the in crowd.
You probably hear your kids talking about about it. It's like a shit version of mean girls.
You gotta laugh really, because it's fucking pathetic and weak and sad behaviour anyway, but especially so when it comes from middle aged, balding, white, sexist, middle class men who sit in front of a computer all day and have nothing better or more useful to do with their sad sad lives.
Anyway, they've found a witch, so they will continue to burn you, not for just this but ANYTHING you say. Prepare to have any new threads you post derailed.
There will be a new poster along in a year or two who falls for the same trap, and eventually it'll all be forgotten about and they'll move on to flesh blood once you get boring.
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You haven't thought this through.
I can do nuance. I can do argument. I have social skills. What I don't have is any patience with the utter bullying bollocks you've posted here.
This is about a matter of fact. Not nuance. Not opinion.
Either those posters are up, as JudithB claims, or they aren't. There's no room for nuance there. I am not attacking her beliefs but her claims of fact.
Yeh it's tedious when someone won't face their mendacity and keeps denying it. But there you go.
You think there's something wrong with me. It's not inherent, it's that I have some small regard for the truth in a debate as emotive as the trans one. I'm not so sure you do
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Okay. Listen I’ve no interest in persuing this. It’s just my impression of you. Maybe I’m wrong. I just don’t care enough.
abstract1
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Yet it is you, on this very thread, who made reference to trans ideology in the midst of women talking about wider service closures, with this post:
“Clever brilliant women being distracted due to the selfishness and childishness of a certain ideology. In the meantime the planet is burning. And we are being distracted from what is happening to women that is possibly not to do with budging up and making space for trans women.”
You then went on to post a really provocative link, under the guise of satire.
This was after a post you made on another of your threads, earlier in the week, about backing off from threads and not wanting to upset people who have been through the debate/s here before - yet you ended that particular post by inviting people to dm you to “discuss “hot” trans topics.”
I’ve been trying to work out what it is about you that is exercising me so much, and it’s your fundamental dishonesty - it’s fucking toxic. I won’t be giving it any more time.
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FabricLiveBaby! did it better
Then how come i was aware of it at around the turn of the century? Some of us have been living this our whole lives, you might want to keep that in mind when you glibly dismiss trans history as revisionism.
And just to be clear, are you accusing Sandy Stone of lying about the abuse she received? Then perhaps you can explain why she left Olivia Records, what's the real story?
Transsexual Empire: The Making of the Shemale, the book written by Janice Raymond which calls for transsexuality to be morally mandated out of existence and has informed much of the more extreme gender critical thought was published in 1981. The below quote gives a flavour of the attitude of the lesbian separatist movement towards trans women back then: "All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves .... Transsexuals merely cut off the most obvious means of invading women, so that they seem non-invasive". The Sandy Stone affair is heavily discussed in the book and Stone herself wrote a response in 1983. This didnt all spring into being in 2013/14.
I'm not aware of any members of The Gorgons and other lesbian separatist groups denying the events that took place in the 1970s by the way. I suspect they would be pretty pissed off at liberal feminists like yourself air brushing their militancy out of existence because you've decided it probably doesn't make for great PR in the modern day. And Sheila Jeffreys certainly has no regrets. And you know what, at least their movement had coherency, they walked the fucking walk and didn't dance around things by pretending to care about trans people whilst just innocently asking a few questions. I may oppose much of what they stand for but I have more political respect for them then the middle class pearl clutching pseudo radicals of the modern GC movement.
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Out of interest are you male or female?
Mr.Bishie
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Out of interest are you male or female?
JudithB
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Are you male or female Mr. Bishie? Should be a simple question.
ETA Apologies I read Where instead of Who.
I am not firky I am not jazzz I cannot remember any others I might have been accused of being. I am female. I was on twitter and decided to find somewhere I might get to talk feminism with like minded women that wasn't too esoteric but was intelligent and witty. I think the women on here fit that bill
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Yes
JudithB
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Picky does that mean you are all male?
Mr.Bishie
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So you’re so new here but can quote those two names?
JudithB
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Because they are two of many I have been accused of being and remember them.
Please get over this.
What is so frightening to all of you about a woman sounding off about women's rights (and ensuring she doesn't want trans ppl to lose any rights they have) that means I have to continue to defend myself against all sorts of rubbish?
ETA I try not to swear verbally or online as an example to my sons. Some may slip through.
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ginger_syn
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i'm a female, why?
JudithB
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Janice wrote her book in the 70's and I am trying to find a recent podcast with Stone which suggests she is still very angry.
Your theories are a huge amount of bull mixed in with the history of all this. It really does remind me of other conspiracy theories- a deep dark rabbit hole.
Sandy Stone has connections to Donna Harroway of Cyborg Manifesto fame. So erm yeah.
The Transsexual Empire probably provides all the so called propaganda about terfs and it could be said is the result of a nasty personal beef between Stone and Janice.
JudithB
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OK to make it simpler for those at the back.
Do you have the same genitalia as the person who birthed you? If you are intersex (and I apologise to my sister if I am now insensitive) did the tests you had when you were a tiny baby of a day or so old confirm you were male or female?
Did that make the question simpler?
JudithB
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I don't have any theories, I have my opinion on the testimonies of those around at the time which I believe to be reasonably accurate and largely undisputed by either side.
To be clear, you are calling Sandy Stone a liar, and this is based on the fact she knew someone you disagree with? Is that a fair summary of why you reject her testimony?
No it wasn't, it was based on Raymond's dissertation and produced under the guidance of Mary Daly and it is recognised by many of your contempories, including Sheila Jeffreys who has spoken at many of the recent ant GRA reform meetings, as the foundational text of gender critical feminism. In her 2014 book Gender Hurts, Jeffreys opens her acknowledgements with this:
You are right though, I got the date it was published wrong. Sorry about that.
Woah. Hold up. These are sensitive things.
Here we go.
JudithB
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Why if you are a woman and so may other trans women (barring the GC transwomen I know) really seem to ignore the obvious safeguarding concerns we raise? I've stated mulitple times on these boards that it isn't transwomen it's the worry of Self ID and what that means to those who WILL abuse it. Why do you as a woman keep bashing us down? When we will fight for your rights. You do know that we are not ever going to ask for your rights to be taken away. Like your side (who physically attack women) we have bad apples. I would not count Posie or Julia Long as my campadres. Do you condone the behaviour of the Cathy Brennan and Tara Wolf?
ETA to change what was a ? to a full stop after your rights
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Mr.Bishie
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Talk about pushing buttons regarding the leaving of a good friend. Proper troll post from someone who’s been here before.
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