Feminism - where are the threads?

[SheilaNaGig]

Well mine was a genuine mistake and the terminology usage I waded in against was considered and deliberate and is part of a clearly discernible set of attitudes as shown by their posts. But anyway.

A clearly discernible set of attitudes?


You clearly discern a set of attitudes on this thread?

Like maybe women finding themselves in general agreement with each other becomes some kind of anti-men agenda?

Blimey mate, if you really are seeing a commonality amongst women as a clearly determined misanthropic attitude then I really do think you need to have a bit of a think about how you feel about women.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Feel free to do what you want. Don't expect me to do what you say.

Because men have no need to justify their perceptions while women must?


Ffs so sick of this shit.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I could have worded it better Sue .

What would you have said had you worded it better?

 

[TopCat]

It’s not misandry. Really it isn’t.

Take a step back. Really, please take a step back.

Sorry how would you react if I told you in such terms that something written was not sexist?

 

[TopCat]

Because men have no need to justify their perceptions while women must?


Ffs so sick of this shit.

Where have I asked women to justify their perceptions?

 

[TopCat]

What would you have said had you worded it better?

It wasn't that off. The points stand.

 

[TopCat]

A clearly discernible set of attitudes?


You clearly discern a set of attitudes on this thread?

Like maybe women finding themselves in general agreement with each other becomes some kind of anti-men agenda?

Blimey mate, if you really are seeing a commonality amongst women as a clearly determined misanthropic attitude then I really do think you need to have a bit of a think about how you feel about women.

I think much on the thread is interesting. Edie put up a lot of though provoking stuff. The OP making it clear from the start though that this thread was for issues pertaining to women without penises rather set the tone.

It's noticeable that many trans accepting women posters on Urban ain't on this thread. In fact many have left because of similar bigotry.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Sorry how would you react if I told you in such terms that something written was not sexist?

I’d say something like “mate, that’s pretty sexist, maybe you want to go back and rethink that”

Rather than throwing another gender specific insult into the mix.

Were you really truly so deeply insulted that the best you could muster was an angry to the point of incoherence throwback insult?

If you noticed the irony of inconsistency, just say so. Why turn it into some kind of contest,

I made a joke, friendofdorothy responded with another joke, you took offence. This is the shit women put up with every. single.day without comment, with gritted teeth, with rolling eyes and deep annoyance bordering on fury.

And somehow, lo and behold, here we are on a thread about feminism having to deal with the hurt feelings of a man who feels that a sexist joke is a personal insult.

If you’ve got a point to make about goose and gander , tit for tat, either orther, please go ahead and make the point, because actually, this shit is all part of the larger debate. But ffs spare me your hurt feelings.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Where have I asked women to justify their perceptions?

It’s implied by your apparent assumptions.

 

[TopCat]

I’d say something like “mate, that’s pretty sexist, maybe you want to go back and rethink that”

Rather than throwing another gender specific insult into the mix.

Were you really truly so deeply insulted that the best you could muster was an angry to the point of incoherence throwback insult?

If you noticed the irony of inconsistency, just say so. Why turn it into some kind of contest,

I made a joke, friendofdorothy responded with another joke, you took offence. This is the shit women put up with every. single.day without comment, with gritted teeth, with rolling eyes and deep annoyance bordering on fury.

And somehow, lo and behold, here we are on a thread about feminism having to deal with the hurt feelings of a man who feels that a sexist joke is a personal insult.

If you’ve got a point to make about goose and gander , tit for tat, either orther, please go ahead and make the point, because actually, this shit is all part of the larger debate. But ffs spare me your hurt feelings.

I took nothing a a personal insult. It was a misandrist attack on men not me. I called FOD a cunt to highlight the point and to discuss it. I wasn't the first poster to bring it up but they were ignored.

 

[TopCat]

It’s implied by your apparent assumptions.

That's really paper thin.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I took nothing a a personal insult. It was a misandrist attack on men not me. I called FOD a cunt to highlight the point and to discuss it. I wasn't the first poster to bring it up but they were ignored.

What if called you a cunt then. How does that proceed debate.

 

[Sue]

Ironic that TopCat has just referred to a customer as a cunt on his other thread.

Anyway, having spent a very long week at work dealing with lots of this shit -- and fucking hell, it's tiring, wondering which bits and how and how often to pick people up on this stuff when you're in a new job -- I'm out for the moment. But ffs.

 

[TopCat]

What if called you a cunt then. How does that proceed debate.

Well find something I have actually written (rather than "implied by my apparent assumtions" and away you go.

 

[Winot]

Well find something I have actually written (rather than "implied by my apparent assumtions" and away you go.

None of this has anything to do with the thread topic, does it?

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Well find something I have actually written (rather than "implied by my apparent assumtions" and away you go.

You’ve made no argument, though. Everything has been implied, from “cunt” thorough all the posts following that.

“Misandrists” “transphobic” and so on.

How does any of this implied woundedness have reference to feminism?

 

[Poot]

Yeah. This was an interesting thread when it was about feminism. Now that it's all about TopCat it's quite boring to be honest. I think I'll go, too.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Yeah. This was an interesting thread when it was about feminism. Now that it's all about TopCat it's quite boring to be honest. I think I'll go, too.

And so it goes.

The discussion shut down, women drifting away, opting out because a man has thrown his woundedness into the mix.

Ffs.

 

[TopCat]

And so it goes.

The discussion shut down, women drifting away, opting out because a man has thrown his woundedness into the mix.

Ffs.

Quoted for posterity.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Quoted for posterity.

Right on!

 

[scifisam]

I think certain feminists have become quite comfortable in slagging blokes and hence are distrustful at best and utter arses at worst towards transwoman. Bit harder to dish out the insults without their hypocrisy being clear for all to see.
But the thread starter made it clear this was a thread for women without penises. Hence the utterly predictable misandrist outbursts.

That second paragraph just isn't true. She didn't want to focus too much on the trans debates, that's all. I think transwomen have more to talk about than just being trans, don't you?

 

[scifisam]

Quoted for posterity.

Why?

 

[campanula]

Pfffft is a reasonable response to disruptive, pointlessly combative shite or even whatevs.

And yet the power structures are controlled by the men/Default Man/ the patriarchy.

But yep, it is ever present, always there, ubiquitous, normalised...on every sneaky level.

 

[TopCat]

That second paragraph just isn't true. She didn't want to focus too much on the trans debates, that's all. I think transwomen have more to talk about than just being trans, don't you?

Her words identified quite clearly her attitudes towards transwoman and thus set the tone of the debate.

 

[Edie]

Meanwhile... I’m still reading that massive fucking link butchers put up. It’s so big my phones categorised it as a book! You can all thank me later

(Personally I’d ignore this bullshit. It’s just noise).

 

[Santino]

Her words identified quite clearly her attitudes towards transwoman and thus set the tone of the debate.

Shut up for a while, you embarrassing prick.

 

[TopCat]

Shut up for a while, you embarrassing prick.

Fuck off.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Meanwhile... I’m still reading that massive fucking link butchers put up. It’s so big my phones categorised it as a book! You can all thank me later

(Personally I’d ignore this bullshit. It’s just noise).

Yes, it’s this kind of disruptive white noise that distracts from the more important debate. But also it’s this kind of minutiae that we’re up against in the daily grind. So it is worth challenging. Not every time, but sometime you find a person (man and/or woman) who goes “oh, yeah... I think I see now”.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Fuck off.

Seriously?

Ffs

 

[TopCat]

Seriously?

Ffs

Yes seriously.