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I don’t think that should come as a surprise to those looking to understand the rise in pay gaps generally in the U.K. the growth in cap between the CEO and cleaner of a company in the last 40 years has not been driven by social values so much as economic liberalisation (notwithstanding that each are the shadow of the other)
Thanks Poot
My guess before looking would have been that generally ex-communist countries would have smaller gaps. The pattern there is a bit mixed. Stubbornly high gaps among richer 'western' countries, except Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg, which are strikingly different.
Mixed is putting it mildly.
The above is key to the gender pay gap. It annoys me a little when this stuff gets discussed in ways that ignore this obvious point, as it was over the pay of extremely rich television presenters recently. Women and men are paid roughly the same before they have children - in fact, in the UK women under 30 narrowly edge men now in pay, reflecting much higher educational achievement among girls. After that, a gap widens, and the higher up the pay scale you get the wider the gap tends to be. It's pretty obvious why this is, imo. (A separate concern, the underachievement of boys, is also worthy of discussion, but not really relevant to this, except to show how strong the effect of motherhood is in holding back careers contrasted with the much weaker effect of fatherhood.)
Best thing about this solution is that we all win - women, men, children.
Yep agreed. Needs a wide-ranging change in attitudes. My mum was a ward sister before she had kids. Came back to work p/t a few years later as a staff nurse, which is what she remained for the rest of her working life. This was just normal back then. But it's only very recently - 15 years or so ago - that part-time workers even had the right to holiday and sick pay. We've still got a very long way to go.
Do we? From a feminist perspective?
I'm sorry but I take these statistics with a massive pinch of salt. They way that they are presented is almost always showing a skewed picture. I don't doubt for a second that the gap varies between ethnic groups, countries etc etc. But there is always an agenda. Always. The gpg statistics at my workplace are always being thrown in my face and they are clearly bollocks. For a start most of us women have job titles that are several grades below what we actually do. So I do get a bit pissed off with this kind of statistic. Lies, damned lies etc.My guess before looking would have been that generally ex-communist countries would have smaller gaps. The pattern there is a bit mixed. Stubbornly high gaps among richer 'western' countries, except Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg, which are strikingly different.
It is a good point though that widening inequality in general is likely to lead to widening gender pay gaps as well. When analysed against both sex and race, the US produces some interesting results. I would have predicted this: huge gap among white people and Asian people (cos more of them have well-paid jobs); small gap among black people (cos fewer black people have well-paid jobs, and both black men and black women earn on average less than white women).
why separate them off from one another? The nature of women's oppression, and of racism, both come from the introduction of 'modern' capitalism and the changes required to end feudal support systems. It cannot be sensibly discussed 'outside of' capitalism - just as you can't sensibly talk about ending capitalism without also talking about ending it's patriarchal and racist bedrocks. They are all intimately connected. Federici is spot on on this.
Can you summarise or perhaps quote a relevant bit? You've not given anyone a particular reason to read the link.
fucks knows what boards you are reading if you think any of that is true.
Nah, you're not getting away with that. It is basic board etiquette to give context to links and provide summaries/quotes to give people reason to look at them. It is hugely egotistical to expect people to read stuff just cos you said so.
Planet NAMALT?
In your role Poots, are men given higher grades and titles for doing the same work? Or is there a definitive separation of the sexes in behaviours within your company?
It is also very possible that your mother was unable to get a loan or a mortgage without a man's signature. We forget how recently women gained many of the rights they have today.
I’m really really glad you said this. Because part of what I’d like to see happen is women properly supported in staying home with their babies and small kids. That having to put them in childcare despite baby crying at drop off, and Mum crying round the corner as soon as she’s ten steps away, is shite.
My experience, which is not unique, is that middle management is almost entirely made of white middle class men, and whilst there is a single very well paid woman director, women are almost never promoted. We just aren't considered. But because of the one female director who earns fucktons, the stats don't look too bad. Or as my manager says 'there's no sexism here. Look at the gender pay gap statistics!' This was shortly after I'd requested something from a male colleague and been told to 'say pretty please!'
So yeah, no sexism apparently, I must be hysterical or something to even consider it.
