Fash attack? or pay back?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh who can tell with clapton, it's never what it seems to be at first.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's very kind of you
Well the alternative is having fash goose-stepping around East London, which presumably you support?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it is not 'either / or'. clapton are not holding back the fash, like some gallant thin red line. your dichotomy is artificial. incidentally, i haven't seen clapton do anything about the fash in e.g. barking and dagenham, havering, redbridge. last time i looked barking and dagenham etc were in east london...
It's heartening that you took the time to research reasons for your neutrality on this matter.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's disheartening you think i am neutral on the subject or in any way favourable to the fash. simply put i don't think there's any real mileage in clapton as ultras. they've set themselves up as something they're not.
Sectarianism within bottom-up antifascism doesn't work. Come on pickman's, this is ABC stuff.
Athos
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That presupposes the 'Clapton Ultras' are engaged in anti-fascism in any meaningful way.
They are being attacked by fascists. Maybe you shrug your shoulders at that but I don't.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. i see what you're trying to do here, and i'm not playing your little game.
Athos
Well-Known Member
My enemy's enemy isn't necessarily my friend. As some of our Celtic comrades know only too well.
There's plenty of opportunity to fight the fash, without rushing to do it under the auspices of CU. Not least of all because I might turn up, get spat at, and then touted on.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
There are videos showing their attackers singing "we hate niggers", so presumably not "pay back" from that shambles back in May.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I assumed he meant payback for the Southend incident, rather than the Hedleygate clusterfuck.
First they came for the Ultras, but I am not an Ultra, so I shrugged on the internet about it.
Then they were on my doorstep, and all the other left groupsicles did fuck all as we disagree over a passage in Das Kapital. And I wondered out loud to myself: How did this happen?
Then they were on my doorstep, and all the other left groupsicles did fuck all as we disagree over a passage in Das Kapital. And I wondered out loud to myself: How did this happen?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Ah, could be. Though you'd imagine the far right don't need an excuse ...
Athos
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no one says 'das kapital' any more, it's simply 'capital'; it's 'groupuscles' not groupsicles; i'm not going to post up any action i may be thinking of on the internet for obvious reasons. finally, i am not surprised you're playing pastor niemoller.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Their ranks are filled with poor excuses for humanity.
Godwin's Law in less than 20 posts.
Nope. You need to actually say it (don't).
Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing DrRingDing there.
Why are you not surprised by it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
rebel warrior's no longer with us and i felt that after him you'd be most likely to bring up niemoller.
I'm not middle class enough to know who niemoller is.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you're who i think you are you like a sambucca chaser.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no, i think Citizen66 very kindly bought me a drink last night is all.
