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Football hooliganism is back in fashion

This kind of thing is why I'm disinterested in football these days. I'm a small disabled woman. I'm also autistic. Big crowds make me panicky and there's no way I'd be able to handle myself in a fight. And Joey Barton is by far from the only man who thinks we don't belong anywhere near the men's game. He can keep it tbh.

I used to cut my arms when my team lost. One time I self-harmed so badly I had to call an ambulance. I don't get how that's irrational, but beating other people up and killing them because you don't like their team, is.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Indeed. I don't follow football or get the tribalism either. Trouble is hooligans don't always just keep the edgy atmosphere to the football ground...
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Yep. Old post is old but I fucking hate getting the tram when Man United have played, because I live on the OT route. I just keep my headphones on and my head down and hope they'll stay away from me. I'm not great at dealing with large groups of drunk men.
 
Lotte said:
I used to cut my arms when my team lost. One time I self-harmed so badly I had to call an ambulance. I don't get how that's irrational, but beating other people up and killing them because you don't like their team, is.
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I mean neither are rational. But I get your point.

I concur with what you say about being disinterested. My levels of interest have massively dropped in recent years, in no small part due to the kind of nonsense which follows the men's game in this country. Large groups of mostly white men being twats, drunkenness, racism, homophobia, tribalism of the worst kind. People literally with tattoos of crap towns like Luton or Ipswich on their body parts. Because football. It's fucking weird really.
 
skyscraper101 said:
I mean neither are rational. But I get your point.

I concur with what you say about being disinterested. My levels of interest have massively dropped in recent years, in no small part due to the kind of nonsense which follows the men's game in this country. Large groups of mostly white men being twats, drunkenness, racism, homophobia, tribalism of the worst kind. People literally with tattoos of crap towns like Luton or Ipswich on their body parts. Because football. It's fucking weird really.
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each to their own, but hard to argue against the fact that, while this behaviour still exists, football has become much much more welcoming to all groups of people in recent years and since the late 90s onwards. Old Trafford is half full of families of tourists now, for example (I say that as a Man United fan). the hooliganism mentioned in this thread is almost entirely between like-minded small groups and away from the crowds.
 
pbsmooth said:
each to their own, but hard to argue against the fact that, while this behaviour still exists, football has become much much more welcoming to all groups of people in recent years and since the late 90s onwards. Old Trafford is half full of families of tourists now, for example (I say that as a Man United fan). the hooliganism mentioned in this thread is almost entirely between like-minded small groups and away from the crowds.
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It's not so much the inside of the stadiums of the big premier league clubs that's the problem. It's all the fringe twattery around it. Pubs, and trains, and town centers festooned with shouty, fighty, men being all tribal and threatening. It's just not for me.
 
skyscraper101 said:
It's not so much the inside of the stadiums of the big premier league clubs that's the problem. It's all the fringe twattery around it. Pubs, and trains, and town centers festooned with shouty, fighty, men being all tribal and threatening. It's just not for me.
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They're slightly different things aren't they. On the whole the groups of shouty men aren't really hooligans. Those groups are much smaller and as mentioned are mostly off doing their thing somewhere else. Groups of loud drunken blokes are not great to be around though for sure, even when they're not being particularly threatening.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
They're slightly different things aren't they. On the whole the groups of shouty men aren't really hooligans. Those groups are much smaller and as mentioned are mostly off doing their thing somewhere else. Groups of loud drunken blokes are not great to be around though for sure, even when they're not being particularly threatening.
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Fair point. The people I'm referring to to are not the organised hooligan firms this thread is about. I was more alluding to the people Lotte was talking about.

If anything, the organised firms are more acceptable. As long as they keep it away from everyone else, crack on as far as I'm concerned. Dumb as it all is.
 
Nasty scenes at West Brom vs Wolves, game stopped, players taken off, massive fight in the stands. A West Brom player has been into the crowd to get his littleun out of there as the trouble is near where the players' families sit. Silly fucking twats. Imagine being an actual grown up and having a fight at the football.
 
Steel Icarus said:
Nasty scenes at West Brom vs Wolves, game stopped, players taken off, massive fight in the stands. A West Brom player has been into the crowd to get his littleun out of there as the trouble is near where the players' families sit. Silly fucking twats. Imagine being an actual grown up and having a fight at the football.
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Its a shame that TV channels deem that we are not permitted to watch these sort of scenes, and just pan to the centre circle. OTT censorship. Did that West Brom player actually think his child was in any danger? Because i really didn't.
 
No idea mate. But why give a bunch of dickheads any publicity?

I'm now pissed off cos we have to watch fifteen minutes of this non-event rather than get all of what might be an extraordinary atmosphere at Anfield.
 
Steel Icarus said:
No idea mate. But why give a bunch of dickheads any publicity?

I'm now pissed off cos we have to watch fifteen minutes of this non-event rather than get all of what might be an extraordinary atmosphere at Anfield.
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Yeah i would probably rather be watching the Liverpool match. Lots of Police and security around the pitch now, no doubt to prevent a pitch invasion and further scuffles at full time.
 
May Kasahara said:
Seems like a perfectly reasonable response to adults fighting, throwing missiles and injuring each other. I'd want to take my kid out of that situation too.
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Although ITV mercifully mostly shielded our eyes from the disorder, it seemed like it was in the home end, in the front corner. Also some reports of further trouble in the other end. Would West Brom players really sit their family with a toddler in those areas for a fierce derby match, when they are at home, and therefore likely the pick of the complimentary seats in the stadium? Or was he playing up for the cameras? If the latter, then its worked as there is already a juicy Daily Mail headline about him.
 
Seems a bit daft having it inside the stadium, what with the cctv, television coverage and way the tickets are distributed. Lots of silly midland types are gonna get their doors put through over next few days.
 
My old landlord was a wolves fan. Came back once,when we were all absolutely fucking battered, from a game against the baggies. He was quite "emotional", bleeding, and told us the story of the night,which ended with the words "I told him, guns, knives whatever. I'll fucking kill you".

Great times.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
The guy is a helmet.
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It’s bad enough for grown adults to fight at football in the first place, but you’d have to be particularly thick to do a Mike Tyson impression on a copper’s jaw.. I could understand the rage if he was punching a Wolves fan, but what was the point of that? Jail time for sure. Nice punch throwing though.
 
jimbarkanoodle said:
Its a shame that TV channels deem that we are not permitted to watch these sort of scenes, and just pan to the centre circle. OTT censorship. Did that West Brom player actually think his child was in any danger? Because i really didn't.
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jimbarkanoodle said:
Although ITV mercifully mostly shielded our eyes from the disorder, it seemed like it was in the home end, in the front corner. Also some reports of further trouble in the other end. Would West Brom players really sit their family with a toddler in those areas for a fierce derby match, when they are at home, and therefore likely the pick of the complimentary seats in the stadium? Or was he playing up for the cameras? If the latter, then its worked as there is already a juicy Daily Mail headline about him.
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The West Bromwich Albion FC player being referred to above is not mentioned in the following pieces, which provide further information on what happened from those who were actually present:

"It was unfortunate that this happened, but fortunately there was no dramatic situation with the families or any people in that area. The lives are more important than anything. The situation was being controlled by the security people and the situation didn't have any negative consequences for the families, but the players were worried because their families were there. The co-ordination of the medical people and the people who are in charge of the security and safety of the people has been excellent, that is why the game was played until the end. I was a little bit worried because when I called Erik Pieters to make the change, I saw that he was looking for his family and I lost my communication with him.”
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- Carlos Corberan. Manager, West Bromwich Albion FC

(Source: ‘Worried because their families were in there’ – West Brom & Wolves condemn frightening scenes in FA Cup derby that left fighting fans bloodied & players having to rescue children

"The parents of Jed Wallace were in the corner where the trouble sparked. “Wolves and West Brom [are] two big clubs with very passionate fans,” the home captain said. “I understand the game meant a lot to both sets of players, both managers and both sets of fans and you don’t want to see that happening.

“That’s the family area so a few of the kids were over there, which is why you had the distress of a few players going over. I don’t really know what’s gone on, who’s in there, who shouldn’t be in there or whatever else. It’s a shame because the support was brilliant and it was an amazing atmosphere to play in.”
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(Source: FA investigates crowd trouble during Wolves’ victory at West Brom

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"Did that West Brom player actually think his child was in any danger? Because i really didn't."
"Or was he playing up for the cameras?"​
 
pbsmooth said:
This guy fighting the coppers and knocking off a helmet 😅

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Love it. My feelings towards the police are let's say not the most positive right now. And not a massive fan of violent thugs either (although there's often a bit of a crossover there). The cop's stupid fucking hat going flying though :D

win/win.
 
stabbed in the bum no doubt. always lively there and the bridge to cross to the ground. I remember feeling I'd never stood out more as a foreigner/english - felt like every roma fan was staring at you.
 
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