Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[cupid_stunt]

Counsel for Lucy Connolly, the wife of that Tory councillor, was back in court yesterday to make a bail application, but it was refused, and she was returned to custody until 2nd September.

She has not yet entered any plea, which is odd as the evidence is clear, and she will get a lighter sentence if she pleads guilty, but I guess her legal team are hoping to come up with some sort of defence based on the psychiatric report they are seeking.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/courts/northampton-woman-lucy-connolly-refused-bail-and-remanded-back-into-custody-4752707

Back in court today, this time Lucy Connolly had decided to plead guilty, the case was transferred from Northampton to Birmingham to avoid any potential appearance of bias given Connolly's husband held a political post in the local area, remanded until 17th Oct.

Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Tory councillor, has pleaded guilty at Northampton Crown Court to publishing a social media post which stirred up racial hatred.

The 41-year old called for mass deportations and attacks on hotels housing asylum seekers in a post on X on the day three girls were killed in Southport.

"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the bas***** for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it," the post read.

The judge said she's likely to get 'substantial' jail sentence when she appears in the Crown Court.

BBC LIVE

ETA -

Slap on the wrist and a small fine I reckon. Class privilege. See how this compares to that lad from Seacroft who did basically exactly the same.

I was just looking back on the thread to check when she was arrested, and spotted the above reply, by the time she gets to Crown Court on 17th Oct., she would have already been locked up for almost 10 weeks, so her class privilege doesn't appear to have helped her, which is most pleasing TBH.

 

[xenon]

Sentencing of boy, 12, for disorder during riots delayed because his mum is on five-day sunshine break in Ibiza

The sentencing of a 12-year-old twice involved in mob violence last month has been adjourned because his mother has gone on holiday to Ibiza, a court heard.

www.lbc.co.uk

pfft

 

[The39thStep]

Sentencing of boy, 12, for disorder during riots delayed because his mum is on five-day sunshine break in Ibiza

The sentencing of a 12-year-old twice involved in mob violence last month has been adjourned because his mother has gone on holiday to Ibiza, a court heard.

www.lbc.co.uk

pfft

Parenting order incoming

 

[pbsmooth]

good luck in the Mum of the Year Awards. staggering.

 

[The39thStep]

When I worked in the Youth Court in Manchester part of my brief was to reduce the number of remands to care and custody. This was when bail had been refused and the juvenile was then sent to a large remand home run by the Council called Rosehill or an out of borough home which the Council paid for. Needless to say if you put a load of offending youth in the same place they tend to offend or abscond and then some would end up remanded to prison. We would propose a bail package with conditions ie residence at home or with a family member, curfew, reporting to a Youth Justice worker, integration into education etc All very radical at the time.

The first day the scheme started I rang this kids mother up and said that we would put a bail package up to the court rather than the court send them to Rosehill the remand home and the mother says 'Oh don't do that , all my boys have been in Rosehill remand home and it saved us a lot of money and bother'

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This is quite a good episode of the long running anti-fascist podcast:


The host essentially explains the recent events to an American guy, so it's quite a good overview with some analysis too.

 

[hitmouse]

Report, released under FoI, shows that that the OB were unprepared for the racist riots, seeing greater potential for disorder from Pro-Palestinian and environmental protests.

Interesting that the OB are still choosing to describe the violent racists, incorrectly, as “cultural nationalists”.

UK police risk assessment before riots said far-right threat probably ‘minimal’

Documents show officers instead prioritised environmental and pro-Palestinian protests as potential hazards

www.theguardian.com

The full (redacted) report is here, makes some interesting reading.
The categories that they use are a bit bonkers, for instance they include anti-abortion, anti-trans and pro-trans stuff together as "social justice" as well as grouping everything from anti-vax to arms trade as "anti-government". Also funny to learn that my local football team aren't counted as football by cop standards:

Other interesting bits:

 

[TopCat]

Yes to all of that, but for me the question is how have we reached a point where kids might be joining far right demos/pogroms. And, for that matter, why adult non-ideological fascists might also be doing that.

Don’t like the police much?
Fed up with a lack of choices?
Poor life expectations?
Shit schooling?
Gullible enough to think it’s all brown peoples fault?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Back to Lucy Connolly, her tory councillor husband has made this statement -

Mr Connolly said she was "an upset housewife" and "just a middle aged mother" who got dragged into the situation by misinformation spreading online.

"The stuff I hear is not really Lucy, she's probably the opposite of what she's having to admit to but she knows she's overstepped the mark and there's consequences for it," he said. LINK

So, he's basically saying she isn't racist, now I call bullshit, because she's finally pleaded guilty, the CPS has now been able to make a statement on the evidence that has been uncovered, and they say she had been posting racist tweets in the weeks and months before the riots, and in the days after.

The Crown Prosecution Service says Connolly posted racist messages months before the Southport attacks, as well as after. This is also likely to be a key factor. The judge will then reduce whatever sentence they provisionally have in mind to take into account Connolly’s admission.

It’s worth bearing in mind what happened to Tyler Kay who reposted Connolly’s words. The 26-year-old Northampton man received 38 months - and he pleaded guilty as soon as he could, thereby receiving the maximum one third discount.

Given his crime would not have occurred had it not been for Connnolly’s words, and Connolly did not plead guilty at her first hearing, it is hard to see how she could receive a shorter term than him. LINK

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Good.

 

[Wilf]

The childminder/Tory councillor's wife was in court today, pleading guilty:

Childminder married to Tory councillor pleads guilty to stirring up racial hatred

Lucy Connolly, of Northampton, told she faces substantial jail term over tweet calling for attacks on asylum hotels

www.theguardian.com

One detail I did notice is a 12 year old kid whose case had to be adjourned as his mum had gone on holiday (despite there being a parental summons in place for her to appear). It's the sort of detail that will get liberals and others huffing and puffing about 'those people'. Still, choosing to go to Ibiza rather than support your kid as he heads off to some sort of custody is a bit . I'm assuming the dad isn't on the scene for him not to be under a similar summons.

 

[Pickman's model]

The childminder/Tory councillor's wife was in court today, pleading guilty:

Childminder married to Tory councillor pleads guilty to stirring up racial hatred

Lucy Connolly, of Northampton, told she faces substantial jail term over tweet calling for attacks on asylum hotels

www.theguardian.com

One detail I did notice is a 12 year old kid whose case had to be adjourned as his mum had gone on holiday (despite there being a parental summons in place for her to appear). It's the sort of detail that will get liberals and others huffing and puffing about 'those people'. Still, choosing to go to Ibiza rather than support your kid as he heads off to some sort of custody is a bit . I'm assuming the dad isn't on the scene for him not to be under a similar summons.

if it'd been a middle class kid there'd be huffing about them missing the case because they were interrailing, spawning a great chain of letters about how it's a rite of passage

 

[Wilf]

Back to Lucy Connolly, her tory councillor husband has made this statement -



So, he's basically saying she isn't racist, now I call bullshit, because she's finally pleaded guilty, the CPS has now been able to make a statement on the evidence that has been uncovered, and they say she had been posting racist tweets in the weeks and months before the riots, and in the days after.


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Good.

'...she's barely racist at all when she's looking after the children'

 

[Wilf]

if it'd been a middle class kid there'd be huffing about them missing the case because they were interrailing, spawning a great chain of letters about how it's a rite of passage

'Attending court? Oh, I assumed our nanny would sort that that sort of thing out'.

 

[_Russ_]

An 11 year old has been arrested.

Child, 11, arrested in raids following Teesside riots

Cleveland Police has now arrested 110 people following widespread disorder almost a month ago.

www.bbc.co.uk

Im not surprised at this arrest, but did they arrest his Parents?...should be automatic in these cases as far as im concerned but I dont hear of it actually going that way often

 

[existentialist]

Im not surprised at this arrest, but did they arrest his Parents?...should be automatic in these cases as far as im concerned but I dont hear of it actually going that way often

What on earth would they be arresting the parents for, at this stage?

 

[Pickman's model]

Im not surprised at this arrest, but did they arrest his Parents?...should be automatic in these cases as far as im concerned but I dont hear of it actually going that way often

What do you think they should have been nicked for?

 

[Pickman's model]

What on earth would they be arresting the parents for, at this stage?

Perhaps every time an 11 year auld is nicked _Russ_ should be lifted for good measure

 

[cupid_stunt]

Im not surprised at this arrest, but did they arrest his Parents?...should be automatic in these cases as far as im concerned but I dont hear of it actually going that way often

That's because you're a loon.

 

[Boo Radley75]

Back to Lucy Connolly, her tory councillor husband has made this statement -



So, he's basically saying she isn't racist, now I call bullshit, because she's finally pleaded guilty, the CPS has now been able to make a statement on the evidence that has been uncovered, and they say she had been posting racist tweets in the weeks and months before the riots, and in the days after.


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Good.

So, basically, her husband is saying his wife is a liar, then. To quote her tweet, after telling people to commit genocide of refugees, she then said......

"If that makes me a racist, so be it."

 

[Pickman's model]

So, basically, her husband is saying his wife is a liar, then. To quote her tweet, after telling people to commit genocide of refugees, she then said......

"If that makes we a racist, so be it."

To be fair I think she was a racist rather before that tweet

 

[SpookyFrank]

Im not surprised at this arrest, but did they arrest his Parents?...should be automatic in these cases as far as im concerned but I dont hear of it actually going that way often

Arrest them for what? Parental negligence, which may or may not be a factor in this sort of case, is a safeguarding issue first and foremost. If a child is involved in something like this there will be conversations with parents and possible referrals to social services or MASH.

Arresting everyone doesn't really serve the core aim of making sure kids are properly looked after. Especially if there are other kids at home.

 

[weepiper]

What is this 'just a middle aged mother' and 'upset housewife' bullshit? Patronising cunt.

 

[Wilf]

So, basically, her husband is saying his wife is a liar, then. To quote her tweet, after telling people to commit genocide of refugees, she then said......

"If that makes me a racist, so be it."

'By day, a mild mannered child minder, by night, encouraging people to burn migrants out'. AKA Pogromwoman.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think I've just lost a client, which I've been wanting to do anyway, he's a pain in the arse all round, and always needs chasing for payment, so I am not bothered TBH.

Anyway, he mentioned before the GE that he was going to vote Reform, so that was another reason for not wanting to deal with him, he phoned a few minutes ago looking for a job to be done ASAP, I said sorry, but I am flat out ATM, I am not, far from it, but I can be choosy who I deal with

For some reason he started talking about the riots, I wasn't really listening until...

He said, 'that Starmer bloke was bang out of order calling the protesters far-right thugs.'

Me, 'I agree, he should have correctly described them as a bunch of fascists and neo-Nazis.'

And, he just hung up.

Exchange of text messages in the last couple of hours...

HIM - hi, you still working?
ME - yes.
HIM - cool, I need some work doing.
ME - lucky for you.
HIM - so you can do it?
ME - no.
HIM - why?
ME - because you're a fucking knobhead.
HIM - what?
ME - take a look at yourself in a mirror.
HIM - well, fuck you.
ME - I think I got in first with that, bye.

That twat didn't even have the balls to call me, it's always been very rare for him to text me.

 

[The39thStep]

Im not surprised at this arrest, but did they arrest his Parents?...should be automatic in these cases as far as im concerned but I dont hear of it actually going that way often

They can issue a summons to appear or a warrant backed with/without bail if necessary, however, arrest would only occur if the parent then failed to turn up at court. Most parents or parent, do turn up to court in my experience. The child is facing a serious criminal charge which could lead to detention. However, in other countries, cases/charges like this for this age group wouldn't be dealt with in court but in a welfare type setting where if necessary there were powers to remove from home.

 

[lengualo]

Not sure what the correct thread is for this. In other, instigator related, news. It seems Ted Faro (fictional techbro who brings about the apocalypse) is sounding like a safer worlds richest man than the one we have.

Ever off down the crazy

Musk suggests support for replacing democracy with government of ‘high-status males’

The theory suggests that the only people able to think freely are ‘high [testostrone] alpha males’ and ‘aneurotypical people’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Back to Lucy Connolly, her tory councillor husband has made this statement -

Mr Connolly said she was "an upset housewife" and "just a middle aged mother" who got dragged into the situation by misinformation spreading online.

"The stuff I hear is not really Lucy, she's probably the opposite of what she's having to admit to but she knows she's overstepped the mark and there's consequences for it," he said. LINK

So, he's basically saying she isn't racist, now I call bullshit, because she's finally pleaded guilty, the CPS has now been able to make a statement on the evidence that has been uncovered, and they say she had been posting racist tweets in the weeks and months before the riots, and in the days after.

The Crown Prosecution Service says Connolly posted racist messages months before the Southport attacks, as well as after. This is also likely to be a key factor. The judge will then reduce whatever sentence they provisionally have in mind to take into account Connolly’s admission.

It’s worth bearing in mind what happened to Tyler Kay who reposted Connolly’s words. The 26-year-old Northampton man received 38 months - and he pleaded guilty as soon as he could, thereby receiving the maximum one third discount.

Given his crime would not have occurred had it not been for Connnolly’s words, and Connolly did not plead guilty at her first hearing, it is hard to see how she could receive a shorter term than him. LINK

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Good.

I'll hazard a guess she won't get 38 months. She'll probably have several character witnesses to say she was/is of otherwise good character. Her lawyer will claim undue hardship to the family, because who will look after the kids (erm, maybe the father?), and won't someone think of the poor children. If she's still on remand pending sentencing now, I reckon she'll get out and and be sentenced to tagging, curfew, community service.

Women are often treated more harshly than men by the criminal (in)justice system, but in this case it's possible her husband being a Tory councillor might still have some influence, despite the sentencing hearing being moved to Birmingham.

 

[existentialist]

I'll hazard a guess she won't get 38 months. She'll probably have several character witnesses to say she was/is of otherwise good character. Her lawyer will claim undue hardship to the family, because who will look after the kids (erm, maybe the father?), and won't someone think of the poor children. If she's still on remand pending sentencing now, I reckon she'll get out and and be sentenced to tagging, curfew, community service.

Women are often treated more harshly than men by the criminal (in)justice system, but in this case it's possible her husband being a Tory councillor might still have some influence, despite the sentencing hearing being moved to Birmingham.

I take the view that only a part of the punishment is time served. It is true that those further up the social hierarchy tend to get away with lighter sentences, but they also have a lot more social capital to lose. Perhaps it won't matter so much amongst their fellow Tory right, but when she's popping down to Waitrose, people will know her as the convicted racist. It will count for something, if only as a constant background rumbling of shame.

 

[two sheds]

although she'll likely have people to pop down to waitrose for her

eta: Lucy Connolly's racial hatred post did not break X rules

The wife of a Conservative councillor who was convicted for stirring up racial hatred on social media did not violate X's rules with the post.

Lucy Connolly, a childminder from Northampton, has pleaded guilty to publishing a social media post intending to stir up racial hatred after calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight.

A few days after her post, X rejected a complaint from a user who flagged the message to it.

something needs to be done to twitter and elon fucking musk

 

[Agrippa57]

I don't know if this is the right thread for this. But I've just had a rather disturbing conversation with my flat mate. After venting to me about the crappy treatment he was getting a the hands of the DWP, he went on to be agitated about "two tier policing" and claiming that there are videos of "Muslims" with big poles and machetes being given favourable treatment by the police, including one video showing these guys following mounted police when they charged the "English protesters". He seems to think that the police are being told to treat "the Muslims" with kid gloves. He further claimed that the media is suppressing the evidence of these things by not showing them.

I've never seen any of these videos. I feel like he's plugged into an alternate pipeline for news and views of these events. It was really quite disturbing. What the hell is going on?

It's my thread and your posting is very welcome in it!