Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They ain't never gonna be reputable
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Dunno, but they've got a name that's really confusing when used in a sentence, reminiscent of this old teucther thread.
ska invita
back on the other side
Yes, when there were riots in 2011 around Duggan absolutely 2-3 were fully involved. Not these particularly individuals here I doubt, but loads of opportunists, career criminals and just general curious joined in. Is that what you mean?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He gets really angry if you call him teucther
ska invita
back on the other side
How people fall into far-right and reactionary rabbit holes etc is a whole other topic, and it impacts people across the class spectrum.
Working this out is up there near top of the list of things to sort out fast.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Yeah, pretty much. Like, I'm with you on thinking group 1 are pretty much beyond help in any immediate sense and just need to get "dealt with", in whatever form that takes, but I think that the question of how you can peel off the softer supporters and potentially win them over to other things is always an important and interesting question for antifascists to be thinking about. Not that I'm claiming to have any answers to it like.
ska invita
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that was the second list right....Im still really curious about the first list which had towns and times - anyone know about that?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Which is actually an amazing side hustle. Shows how lucrative just babbling horseshit can be these days.
ska invita
back on the other side
very much agree.... im a bleeding heart softy, i don't believe in writing anyone off, and we'll never get anywhere without creating a critical popular mass.... but I don't believe you do that by pandering to racist agendas in any shape or form.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wouldn't want to darken his character further but as he was also a carer for his partner. he could well have had carer's allowance on top of that
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not see anything, have you a screenshot?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Reminds me of someone I used to work with. Born and grew up in London when old far right were around. On the fringes of it. Then was asked to go to proper meeting. The speaker was going on about Jews etc. In the meeting he thought my grandfather fought in war against this. And in his words from that point he thought the far right talked bollox.
He ended school with his best friend being a black kid.
What I'm saying is that when some people come close to the far right ( move up from 2 and 3 to 1) they realise what a load of cobblers the ideology behind it is and back off.
More recently I've come across people who have got into the anti vax stuff during pandemic and have a whole hodge bodge of views - right and left. Not far right in traditional fascist sense. They do not appear to be involved in this.
ska invita
back on the other side
No I cant even find a record of that list now.... was around the same time Daniel Tommo Thomas said “every city has to go up” (I really hope he gets nicked)
Weller
So ermm ... You know ermm
It does seem quite a 2nd income for little input if its just that twitter x account it doesnt seem that busy or popular compared to some that are still up too
He does have other social media linked and his racist rants and reposts from other sites were shared there but Im always confused how they make money on x unless he means he was paid minimum wage by someone to post hate 40hrs a week on X
Youtube tiktok etc can be very lucrative of course but even that is if its your own created content and they dont allow the hate shite that Musk does
Glad hes been exposed and jailed anyway and hope some of the corrupt running the bigger x pages and connected far right web also now get exposed from his links and jailed
Shows thier lack of morals the utter shit they are willing to cause for a few hundred quid , doubt any pay tax whatever the earnings despite that being one of his main gripes about "unwelcome benefit swindlers coming here on boats to **** our children" suprised his account is still up and guess lots posts been removed but suprising where some of his links lead and what is still searchable though since deleted
I guess it didnt take the bill long to find any of these racist thickos hiding thier idenities anyway
hopefully lots more to come 
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I see there's a crowdfunder for the family of poor Dom Capaldi, who landed a 34 monther for being a caught-on-camera twat at Castle Park in Bristol.
Apparently this is “an unlawful prison sentence” (he pleaded guilty to violent disorder), and he was only there because “he felt he needed to, relating to the safety of his children’s future.”
Also “he leaves a wife and children [one of whom celebrated their 7th birthday the day he was sentenced for his gammoning about] as well as an unpaid mortgage.”
I'm sure you can guess the tenor of some of the comments.
Intriguingly it came to my attention via a twitter account that is predominantly angry pokes at the NCA over its anti-Encrochat Operation Venetic.
Apparently this is “an unlawful prison sentence” (he pleaded guilty to violent disorder), and he was only there because “he felt he needed to, relating to the safety of his children’s future.”
Also “he leaves a wife and children [one of whom celebrated their 7th birthday the day he was sentenced for his gammoning about] as well as an unpaid mortgage.”
I'm sure you can guess the tenor of some of the comments.
Intriguingly it came to my attention via a twitter account that is predominantly angry pokes at the NCA over its anti-Encrochat Operation Venetic.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Posted this over on the "after the riots" thread but dunno how much attention that one gets, so suppose it might as well go here as well:
whatwemake.substack.com
Really sharp and worth reading imo, lots to reflect on there.
There's also this, but it's a bit wordier and less practically-focused:
proletarianblues.substack.com
Closing Ranks: Notes on a Community Meeting
the coordinated dissipation of antifascist energy
whatwemake.substack.com
There's also this, but it's a bit wordier and less practically-focused:
Four theses on Fascism, Pogroms and Liberation
Some reflections on fascism, crisis and class politics
proletarianblues.substack.com
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
Got a link? Can PM if you want I was just curious. From what I've seen he was a well known dick long before this.
Boo Radley75
Well-Known Member
I see Jim Davidson is having his say on twitter in his usual twattish way. He wants someone on trial for triple child murder to have their case rushed through and sentenced in a week because if they don't, it's not fair on poor people who get jailed for beating up black people and clobbering the police with bricks, or something. 
Ok fair enough can expect that.take it here
Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?
I keep hearing that there are concerns about immigration. I've heard concerns about immigration used as a justification for some really toxic and even violent language and behaviour over the years, but the last few weeks have seen a kind of paroxysm of pent-up rage in the UK that has got even...www.urban75.net
we're talking about fash, racist, far right cunts and their attempt to create a race war on this thread
I’ve no interest in discussing the details and sentences of individual cunts so I’ll leave you all to it.
Fwiw I agree with your analysis that whilst there’s a group of committed far right ideologues the majority will just be opportunists with a lot of rage about how shit their living conditions are and low key background generalised racist views about for example asylum seekers getting housed whilst local people are still homeless.
I dunno what percent of the population hold that second view but it far exceeds the numbers actually on the street rioting. Yaxley Lennon knows that.
The US centre right view (been discussing the British riots with Trump supporters) is that half the problem in the UK is dependency on welfare. If there weren’t so many people expecting the state to house them and pay for their living there’d be less of a sense that you’re not getting what your ‘owed’ and others are. Appreciate that’s a view a long way from Urbans general perspective.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
He has 100k followers so he’s probably getting a cIt does seem quite a 2nd income for little input if its just that twitter x account it doesnt seem that busy or popular compared to some that are still up too
He does have other social media linked and his racist rants and reposts from other sites were shared there but Im always confused how they make money on x unless he means he was paid minimum wage by someone to post hate 40hrs a week on X
Youtube tiktok etc can be very lucrative of course but even that is if its your own created content and they dont allow the hate shite that Musk does
Glad hes been exposed and jailed anyway and hope some of the corrupt running the bigger x pages and connected far right web also now get exposed from his links and jailed
Shows thier lack of morals the utter shit they are willing to cause for a few hundred quid , doubt any pay tax whatever the earnings despite that being one of his main gripes about "unwelcome benefit swindlers coming here on boats to **** our children" suprised his account is still up and guess lots posts been removed but suprising where some of his links lead and what is still searchable though since deleted
I guess it didnt take the bill long to find any of these racist thickos hiding thier idenities anyway
pretty sure it’ll be x paying them via the algorithm/blue tick. Posting vile far right shite is one thing, being paid for it and incentivised is another. Here’s a tenner for inflicting harm on your community. I don’t know where to start tbhIt does seem quite a 2nd income for little input if its just that twitter x account it doesnt seem that busy or popular compared to some that are still up too
He does have other social media linked and his racist rants and reposts from other sites were shared there but Im always confused how they make money on x unless he means he was paid minimum wage by someone to post hate 40hrs a week on X
Youtube tiktok etc can be very lucrative of course but even that is if its your own created content and they dont allow the hate shite that Musk does
Glad hes been exposed and jailed anyway and hope some of the corrupt running the bigger x pages and connected far right web also now get exposed from his links and jailed
Shows thier lack of morals the utter shit they are willing to cause for a few hundred quid , doubt any pay tax whatever the earnings despite that being one of his main gripes about "unwelcome benefit swindlers coming here on boats to **** our children" suprised his account is still up and guess lots posts been removed but suprising where some of his links lead and what is still searchable though since deleted
I guess it didnt take the bill long to find any of these racist thickos hiding thier idenities anyway
Dogsauce
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BristolEcho
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We have to start with young people and we also have to get better at talking to people from economically poor areas about racism, sexism, and power structures. This includes people from all backgrounds.
I've written before that I grew up in an environment that was sometimes extreme and there were things that reform candidates were being dropped for saying that were very normal for me to hear and read as a child. That had a big impact upon me and there are things that I wrote and spoke about as a young child that I am deeply ashamed about. The person that I most looked up to as a child, and literally wanted to be is someone that I couldn't be politically further from now. There are probably other things that make me more likely to be vulnerable to those narriatives as a child that I won't go into on this thread.
Obviously at some point whilst I was still quite young I realised that it didn't make sense and I turned away from that. I clearly had some very solid influences in my local environment that enabled this - some family, friends, and social services such as my local youth club. Some of those thoughts still resided somewhere deep down I'm sure and I have to be aware of that.
As I've got older though I've realised that I didn't feel particularly safe to talk about those experiences with people that shared the same politics as me as an adult. I absolutely hated it when whole areas would be written off as a racist by white people (I do understand why people of colour may feel this way about particular areas) and when people would talk about privilege which is hard to understand when you look around at the poor area that you grew up in. I felt and knew they would have judged me as a younger person and not given me a moment of their time. It's amazing what people will say when they think you are from the same place.
Fortunately I actually found some people that were much better at explaining this and listening/challenging, I understand that I didn't have to deal with racism and sexism on top of being a "chav" like my peers did and I started to address my earlier experiences and can talk about it more openly. I think coming alongside people is important and listening, but I do think that people should only be given so much opportunity - there are a few friends I've long dissociated from in the rave scene as their views were deeply problematic. Ultimatley I knew there were issues with inequality from a very young age (though I didn't even have it bad compared to many) I was just being directed to blaming the wrong people.
It's similar to the issues with sexism and violence against women. We live in a deeply racist, sexist and violent society and children are radicalised within their family units and by wider society from a very young age. I think people that haven't grown up in that environment find it hard to understand how deep the hate can go and the damage that causes to a young mind. It's a huge task to address that.
We also have to challenge narriatives that racism is particularly or uniquely endemic in poorer communities, or groups such as football fans. It's one of the things that I come across so often in casual conversation as if it's not a huge issue too in middle class and ultra wealthy circles. Racists from those backgrounds often have more power and different ways to play out their racism. They also have more to lose when considering going out to a riot etc. I got caught up in loads of stupid petty stuff when I was younger and didn't really care what happened. I'd also point out that there appears to be a high number of trades people in the arrests and it's not exactly an area of employment that is short of money.
I really liked David Olusoga's article that someone posted too.
By "we" I mean wider society not people on urban just be clear. Hope the post wasn't too rambling either.
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Gramsci
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Found this series on YouTube about opposing far right in 70s
Watched this one about Southall. Far right tried to provocatively hold a meeting in middle of Asian community area.
What struck me was how whole community mobilised themselves to oppose this. Leading to full on fighting with the police. Fighting it must be emphasised police brought on themselves.
Watched this one about Southall. Far right tried to provocatively hold a meeting in middle of Asian community area.
What struck me was how whole community mobilised themselves to oppose this. Leading to full on fighting with the police. Fighting it must be emphasised police brought on themselves.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Fuck, my Ex used to be all over his account! Along with a good few others of the RW "influencers/journalists etc" who actively shitstirred the whole thing.
She has shut-up/ramped back on the overt hatred recently, not I think because she has seen the light and become somewhat "human" but maybe family/employment factors have put some pressure on her to be more circumspect.
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hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Well, it's a defence, I'll say that much:
www.thelondoneconomic.com
'I was shouting about Alan, not Allah': Leeds protester defends his actions
During his appearance at Leeds Crown Court, the defendant also lamented himself for acting like a 'drunken idiot'.
www.thelondoneconomic.com
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Well, it's a defence, I'll say that much:
'I was shouting about Alan, not Allah': Leeds protester defends his actions
During his appearance at Leeds Crown Court, the defendant also lamented himself for acting like a 'drunken idiot'.
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
Can't say this comes as a huge surprise, to be honest.
www.thelondoneconomic.com
Half of British voters believe Nigel Farage is personally responsible for UK riots
More than half of British voters believe Nigel Farage is personally responsible for UK riots, polling has revealed.
www.thelondoneconomic.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I usually enjoy what they write
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