Limejuice
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The entire jawline is like a kevlar carapace.
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The entire jawline is like a kevlar carapace.
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Limejuice
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MrCurry
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I’ve seen a suggestion on another forum that when race control instructs a car to cede position, they should get shown the blue flags. That way they have a defined time period in which to comply, which can be enforced by the standard flag system the marshalls are already set up for. Plus the following car gets notice that they will be allowed to pass.
Seems sensible - Would it work?
Seems sensible - Would it work?
Limejuice
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They might need to delay the blue flags for a lap or two for the team to convince the driver it's necessary.
Or, you know, Michael Masi could spend a few laps negotiating with the team as to:
i) whether or not the want to cede the position,
ii) when they want to hand it back, and
iii) which driver they want to give the position to.
Because Masi set the precedent in Jeddah.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Brundle has come down solidly against Max in his post race column. wonder if this will upset his best mate Coulthard?
www.skysports.com
Martin Brundle: Max Verstappen must stop these tactics vs Lewis Hamilton for his legacy... but what a title showdown we'll have
Sky F1s Martin Brundle unravels the chaos and controversy of the Saudi Arabian GP, explaining the title rivals bizarre collision, his unease over Max Verstappens style against Lewis Hamilton, and much more; The title rivals are level on points heading to the season-ending Abu Dhabi GP
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
So after the rowdy Arabia race I checked out the race director interview F1 put out, in which Michael Messy tries to reassure us all “it’s fine!”
Is it me or has he aged ten years? Huge eye bags, facial tics and disconnected gesticulating. He looks like a man feeling the pressure in a way Charlie Whiting never displayed. Hope he bounces back from this.
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Is it me or has he aged ten years? Huge eye bags, facial tics and disconnected gesticulating. He looks like a man feeling the pressure in a way Charlie Whiting never displayed. Hope he bounces back from this.
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Limejuice
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I don't recall there being much debate about Charlie Whiting's decisions. What Charlie said, went.
Whether or not the teams spent as much time bitching like schoolkids to Charlie about every titchy instance of 'unfairness', I don't know. But we seem to hear a load of teams complaining to Mr Masi these days.
Broadcasting thenegotiations offer to Red Bull certainly gave me the impression that all the Race Director's calls are negotiable. And when that impression spreads around the teams, Masi is going to have 10 teams in permanent 'Please, Miss!' mode.
Whether or not the teams spent as much time bitching like schoolkids to Charlie about every titchy instance of 'unfairness', I don't know. But we seem to hear a load of teams complaining to Mr Masi these days.
Broadcasting the
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I'm still not entirely clear what the "or..." was in that chat.
I get the sense the general theory is "...or take a 5 second penalty", but did Massi actually say or even indicate that?
And was it basically because if they were still racing, Red Bull would have had the option to decide whether they observe giving the place back or, if they didn't, be hit with the time penalty?
Feels like that's basically deciding whether to follow the rules or get penalised, which obviously anyone can do to an extent, but is possibly not something any authority should be explicitly offering a choice between?
I get the sense the general theory is "...or take a 5 second penalty", but did Massi actually say or even indicate that?
And was it basically because if they were still racing, Red Bull would have had the option to decide whether they observe giving the place back or, if they didn't, be hit with the time penalty?
Feels like that's basically deciding whether to follow the rules or get penalised, which obviously anyone can do to an extent, but is possibly not something any authority should be explicitly offering a choice between?
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
MotoGP has the "long lap" penalty, which works really well. Most tracks (not so much street circuits I suppose, but definitely the dedicated race tracks) have plenty of alternative bits of tarmac (eg sections of the "club circuit") which take an extra second or 2 to negotiate. Importantly it gets the offending rider well out of the way so there can't be any shenanigans with the defending / overtaking. At Saudi Arabia it would have been a simple case of race control announcing to all teams that Verstappen had a "long lap penalty" and that ridiculous, dangerous 200mph straight at 60mph incident doesn't happen.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Race control doesn't impose penalties, the stewards panel does.
In other words, race control can tell a team to cede the place, but the decision whether to comply lies with the team & the driver - if they don't, it's for them to argue their case with the stewards as to whether a penalty should apply or not. "You should start behind Hamilton" was race control saying "you should give the place back".
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Brundle has come down solidly against Max in his post race column. wonder if this will upset his best mate Coulthard?
Martin Brundle: Max Verstappen must stop these tactics vs Lewis Hamilton for his legacy... but what a title showdown we'll have
Sky F1s Martin Brundle unravels the chaos and controversy of the Saudi Arabian GP, explaining the title rivals bizarre collision, his unease over Max Verstappens style against Lewis Hamilton, and much more; The title rivals are level on points heading to the season-ending Abu Dhabi GP
I watched some of the c4 high lights just to see what Coulthard was going to say was trying to make out like the accident with schumi in spa
tbh David that was your fault and it was Max's on sunday
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
they should ban teams from contacting race control till after the event
the problem this year is everyone trying to control the results as they happen
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Ok, so have I understood correctly that what race control says is simply 'advisory'? I'm clearly not clear on the role of race control and stewards (who are distinct from stewards on the track?) and the differences between the two.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
I've just dug this up. It looks recent.
F1 Stewards: Who are they, what do they do & how are they chosen?
Stewards in F1 are responsible for some of the most talked-about decisions in F1, but who are they, what do they do and how are they chosen? Find out all that and more here.
www.autosport.com
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
I’m going to miss him. There’s no one like Kimi
Limejuice
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Race Director & Stewards.
I got the impression that in the Jeddah race Masi was saying to Red Bull he had spotted a breach of a sporting regulation as race Director.
Red Bull could give back the track position gained in breach of the regs, OR he would report the breach to the stewards for their consideration and punishment.
If Red Bull reversed the position, he would no longer have a breach to report. If RB wanted to decline the "offer", they took their chances with the stewards.
The implication was that with Masi's authority the incident he reported would be seen by the stewards as a slam-dunk breach of sporting regs, and the punishment could be anything from a five-second penalty to an outright disqualification. The "no further action" outcome was never going to happen.
RB, wisely n the circumstances, chose to do a simple swap rather than risk the wrath of the stewards.
I got the impression that in the Jeddah race Masi was saying to Red Bull he had spotted a breach of a sporting regulation as race Director.
Red Bull could give back the track position gained in breach of the regs, OR he would report the breach to the stewards for their consideration and punishment.
If Red Bull reversed the position, he would no longer have a breach to report. If RB wanted to decline the "offer", they took their chances with the stewards.
The implication was that with Masi's authority the incident he reported would be seen by the stewards as a slam-dunk breach of sporting regs, and the punishment could be anything from a five-second penalty to an outright disqualification. The "no further action" outcome was never going to happen.
RB, wisely n the circumstances, chose to do a simple swap rather than risk the wrath of the stewards.
Limejuice
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a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Why the angry face a_chap ?
All this adulation for Kimi as some sort of hilarious character annoys me.
He acts like a prick towards people further down the pyramid. Being rude to mechanics and journalists - the very people who helped make him rich'n'famous - is twattish behaviour.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Is he rude to his mechanics? I thought that by most accounts behind the scenes and away from the cameras he’s a really good laugh.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
if he was racing clean i would not mind it, i don't want this won in a wall or with micheal massi making discussions for rating
beating hamiltion clean would be a better route to a maiden win
neutral view point
Max is going to be winning championships for the next decade, don't want him thinking its cool to put his opposition into walls if the mood suits him
Plus Marko and Horner are Fuckwits
F1 Abu Dhabi finale set to be live on Channel 4
Sunday’s title-deciding Formula 1 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix is set to be shown live on free-to-air Channel 4 in the
www.motorsportweek.com
No shonky streams for this race, thank fuck.
souljacker
innit
That is great news. My stream for the last race hiccuped at the first restart. It's normally been pretty good to till then.F1 Abu Dhabi finale set to be live on Channel 4
Sunday’s title-deciding Formula 1 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix is set to be shown live on free-to-air Channel 4 in the
No shonky streams for this race, thank fuck.
I'm going to miss the last bit of the race anyway. Daughters birthday party. Really hard to get out of...
