'Explosion' on Parsons Green tube train - injuries reported after terrorist incident

[Anudder Oik]

Or is he completely full of shit, and likes to pretend he is more in the loop than he is?

He's got some big boy's toys, namely the CIA and the FBI. If you have them at your disposal and still have to make shit up then...Sad

 

[Anudder Oik]

. And we have to be scared of Terrorists because that's what is expected of us. How many cyclists have been killed this year? How many teenagers have been stabbed or shot?

You forgot the acid attacks.

These are both issues that deserve a thread of their own, maybe there is one, but they do not diminish or even compare to the way most people react or feel about terrorist attacks.

Gun crime is relatively confined to certain groups and only occasionally spills over to hurt bystanders and you won't get a sloberring screaming stampede if a cyclist crashes into someone who has stepped off the pavement.

 

[Bungle73]

These are both issues that deserve a thread of their own, maybe there is one, but they do not diminish or even compare to the way most people react or feel about terrorist attacks.

That's because most people over react to something that is only ever going to affect a very small number of the population, and is extremely rare, and yet ignore far more serious and deadly problems.

What’s many times more deadly than terrorism? Britain’s roads | Polly Toynbee

 

[Anudder Oik]

That's because most people over react to something that is only ever going to affect a very small number of the population, and is extremely rare, and yet ignore far more serious and deadly problems.

What’s many times more deadly than terrorism? Britain’s roads | Polly Toynbee

Using cycling accidents as a way to try to diminish the seriousness of terrorism is naive.

 

[tim]

These are both issues that deserve a thread of their own, maybe there is one, but they do not diminish or even compare to the way most people react or feel about terrorist attacks.

How do most people react? I carry on with life assuming that I'm not nor likely to be killed or injured. Aren't most of us the same? I'm about to take the Jubilee line at Canada Water and am not filled with trepidation. Just relieved that they haven't been panicked into suspending the service.

 

[Anudder Oik]

How do most people react? I carry on with life assuming that I'm not nor likely to be killed or injured. Aren't most of us the same? I'm about to take the Jubilee line at Canada Water and am not filled with trepidation. Just relieved that they haven't been panicked into suspending the service.

You are right but if you were a cyclist you would be extra careful in the knowledge of what can happen. You might get run over while on the road. Terrorism on the other hand can strike anywhere, concerts, bars, restaurants, on a bridge, in the Ramblas, etc..

It is relevant to consider the intensity of feeling created by these various events and maybe to compare the willingness and means to deal with them. As far as I can see nothing is being done about any of the issues mentioned in the last few posts.

 

[tim]

Using cycling accidents as a way to try to diminish the seriousness of terrorism is naive.

Following media led frenzy is naive. Terrorism is not one of the big killers in London. Trees kill more people in London than ISIS fans.

 

[Bungle73]

Using cycling accidents as a way to try to diminish the seriousness of terrorism is naive.

Who said anything about cycling accidents? And it's not being "naive", it's being realistic as to what poses a threat to most people and what does not.

 

[xenon]

. And we have to be scared of Terrorists because that's what is expected of us. How many cyclists have been killed this year? How many teenagers have been stabbed or shot?

Scared or not, doesn't change what's classed as terrorism.

Snooper's Charter, increased police powers, politicking, etc but there are still wackos who want to blow random people up for ideological reasons.

 

[xenon]

Why are you talking about numbers? Heart desease isn't terrorism either.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Who said anything about cycling accidents? And it's not being "naive", it's being realistic as to what poses a threat to most people and what does not.

Can I ask you a question? Were you upset or angry about the woman murdered by a fascist in Charlottesville? Would you say "In public" that that attack was less threatening or important than, say, people dying from cycling accidents? I mean, on the same day loads more people were electrocuted in their homes. Would you accept the callous logic of that comparison? Of course not.

so why accept jihadist terrorism/cycling accident relativism?

 

[kenny g]

I have control over whether I get on a bike and go left of a dumper truck, I can decide whether to cross the road, I have no control over a wanker putting a bucket of explosives on my tube train. That is the difference.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Oh, the army are going back on the streets doing basic guarding jobs, to free up the police to focus on the terrorist threat.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Oh, the army are going back on the streets doing basic guarding jobs, to free up the police to focus on the terrorist threat.

Following media led frenzy is naive. Terrorism is not one of the big killers in London. Trees kill more people in London than ISIS fans.

Some types of trees need to be trimmed every few years, if they are not the branches fall, naturally. If that happens in London, then someone is ultimately repsonsible for not doing their job. It is called neglect. You see, nothing is natural.

 

[mx wcfc]

Terror threat level raised to critical.... Guess they reckon the shitbag that planted the bomb will be looking to do something else.

UK terror threat increased to 'critical'

 

[Anudder Oik]

Oh, the army are going back on the streets doing basic guarding jobs, to free up the police to focus on the terrorist threat.

Are they guarding pedestrians against cyclist menace? No? They've got their priorities wrong then, haven't they. They'll never learn, sigh.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Terror threat level raised to critical.... Guess they reckon the shitbag that planted the bomb will be looking to do something else.

UK terror threat increased to 'critical'

It just means they fucked up and could have stopped it.

 

[tim]

Can I ask you a question? Were you upset or angry about the woman murdered by a fascist in Charlottesville? Would you say "In public" that that attack was less threatening or important than, say, people dying from cycling accidents? I mean, on the same day loads more people were electrocuted in their homes. Would you accept the callous logic of that comparison? Of course not.

so why accept jihadist terrorism/cycling accident relativism?

I was angry but I didn't feel threatened by it. It didn't stop me from going of to the arms fair demonstration in Docklands last Saturday. Countless more people will die as a result of that state sponsored jamboree than will ever die at the hands of cack-handed jihadists. As to the relativism my point is statistically these are not big threats and I don't see what convincing ourselves that they are will do.

 

[cupid_stunt]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the Lidl bomb, they have no shame.

 

[kenny g]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the Lidl bomb, they have no shame.

Not sure whether your snobbishness will overcome their bloodlust.

 

[tim]

It just means they fucked up and could have stopped it.

If you believe everything that Trump tweets they might have. Personally, the crude nature of this bomb and the bridge knife attacks suggests that those responsible are working on their own, and you can't get inside the minds of alienated individuals that easily. If there is an Eminence Grise behind these guys, they are a pretty crap one.
Firstly all the fuss these attacks lack the coordination and the active community support that either Republican or Loyalist groups, or, of come to that Bader Meinhoff and the Italian Ted Brigades, had in the not so distant past

 

[Pickman's model]

If you believe everything that Trump tweets they might have. Personally, the crude nature of this bomb and the bridge knife attacks suggests that those responsible are working on their own, and you can't get inside the minds of alienated individuals that easily. If there is an Eminence Grise behind these guys, they are a pretty crap one.
Firstly all the fuss these attacks lack the coordination and the active community support that either Republican or Loyalist groups, or, of come to that Bader Meinhoff and the Italian Ted Brigades, had in the not so distant past

I like the sound of the t.b., roaming the roman streets in their vintage fifties gear

 

[Pickman's model]

I was angry but I didn't feel threatened by it. It didn't stop me from going of to the arms fair demonstration in Docklands last Saturday. Countless more people will die as a result of that state sponsored jamboree than will ever die at the hands of cack-handed jihadists. As to the relativism my point is statistically these are not big threats and I don't see what convincing ourselves that they are will do.

Play into the hands of people with a malign agenda

 

[DotCommunist]

Italian Ted Brigades

'Shall we all be italian communist insurgents now father?' etc etc

 

[Pickman's model]

'Shall we all be italian communist insurgents now father?' etc etc

 

[kenny g]

At the end of the day all this means is that that the bombers are shit - which should be a given. If they had any capacity they would have been trained elsewhere or have access to better plans. Maybe/ MAYBE/ they have been fed crap bomb plans by UK intel but it is more likely the four lions aspect has kicked in and they are intrinsically not very good.... thank goodness either way and may their incompetence continue. Tomorrow is another day and I look forward to enjoying it.

 

[Bungle73]

It just means they fucked up and could have stopped it.

No it doesn't. It just means the perp is still on the run, the police don't know if he (or she) has anything else planned, or if they are working alone or in a group.

Can I ask you a question? Were you upset or angry about the woman murdered by a fascist in Charlottesville? Would you say "In public" that that attack was less threatening or important than, say, people dying from cycling accidents? I mean, on the same day loads more people were electrocuted in their homes. Would you accept the callous logic of that comparison? Of course not.

so why accept jihadist terrorism/cycling accident relativism?

Can I ask you a question? Why are you so obsessed with cycling accidents. By far the vast majority of the people killed on the roads are pedestrians. I'm asking for some perspective that's all. People act like terrorism is the biggest problem this country faces, and that that one is taking one's live in ones hands just walking down the street because of it, when neither of those is the case at all.

I have control over whether I get on a bike and go left of a dumper truck, I can decide whether to cross the road, I have no control over a wanker putting a bucket of explosives on my tube train. That is the difference.

Do you have control over being run down by some drunk driver, or speeding driver, one who simply isn't paying attention because they are too busy faffing about with their phone? No.

 

[Pickman's model]

At the end of the day all this means is that that the bombers are shit - which should be a given. If they had any capacity they would have been trained elsewhere or have access to better plans. Maybe/ MAYBE/ they have been fed crap bomb plans by UK intel but it is more likely the four lions aspect has kicked in and they are intrinsically not very good.... thank goodness either way and may their incompetence continue. Tomorrow is another day and I look forward to enjoying it.

It should be a given? It's very fortunate that in this country so many jihadis have been so inept. But that's not necessarily always going to be the case: even well educated people, e.g. the doctors who tried to attack haymarket in 2007 fucked up. If they looked at e.g. us bomb manuals rather than following the tatp route, who knows? They might actually succeed.

 

[DotCommunist]

while its certainly true that the mundane (not mundane for those involved obvs) things of ordinary life have the higher death toll- it's drunk drivers not ISIS I think about when being driven somewhere on a weekend night- the terrorism gets more attention because it is not mundane and its not routine. That doesn't mean we should imagine we live under an armed camp assailed on all sides nor does it mean we should ignoe what agendas are pushed. Our own Annuder Oik for instance only turns up on terror or refugee related threads to push a certain line. the microcosm of the macrocosm or something

 

[bemused]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the Lidl bomb, they have no shame.

ISIS are just pound shop terroists.