Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It’s really nothing to do with football though is it?
European Super League (again)
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It’s really nothing to do with football though is it?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Even as a lifelong non-football fan I can see that this is absolutely nothing to do with the game itself and is just capitalists doing what they do. It stinks.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
No it is about money but leave the books out of it. Football fans will be against this whether they have read about neoliberals or not.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Bayern Munich also rumoured
Johnny Doe
Well-Known Member
They've lobbed a grenade at the PL with the pin still in. If the PL takes the pin out by throwing them all out, it destroys itself too. PL TV rights will be worth about £4.50 without those 6 clubs.
No football fan in this country wants to watch a series of exhibition matches where there is no consequence to coming last (for the 'founders'). But the people driving this don't care about football or football fans, whatsover. If the global market is where the money, and it will buy this non-competition, they will happily sell the game as we know it out in it's entirety.
Wankers.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I am a life long gooner but am totally against this shit. It is being beaten by Yeovil Town et al that makes it exciting. Fuck this bollocks it is not right. Surely there is enough cash in it already to satisfy the owners.
I would be happier if they introduced what some German clubs have at a 51% ownership by fans.
I would be happier if they introduced what some German clubs have at a 51% ownership by fans.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Absolutely the last thing we want is football supporters having a political view, any understanding of what economics that drive the sport they are involved in. They'll be demanding supporter ownership next and the redistribution of income to supporting and developing grassroots football, caps on ticket prices, TV subscriptions merchandising and controls on kick-off times.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Yeah but... It is great in theory but keep sucking your lollypop.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Watched the Neville video (not sure whether it's been posted on here) - massive fines and deduct all their points seems to be his approach 
. And pointing out that all the big clubs seem to have foreign owners who don't know/care about the history of the game and working class origins.
. And pointing out that all the big clubs seem to have foreign owners who don't know/care about the history of the game and working class origins.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
From Dan Roan at the BBC
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
He was very passionate, agreed with what he said.Watched the Neville video (not sure whether it's been posted on here) - massive fines and deduct all their points seems to be his approach
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
All been big clubs in their times.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yes, I've not really noticed him before (I get confused between him and his brother I never know which one was the England manager) but I was impressed too.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
The other thing I've noticed this year particularly is that all the clubs in the premiership have at least one really gifted player. I think they'd all just move up a notch.
Interesting if players were banned from internationals though, I can't see it but would make the World Cup interesting
Interesting if players were banned from internationals though, I can't see it but would make the World Cup interesting
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Be hilarious if they were booted out of the Premier leagueThe other thing I've noticed this year particularly is that all the clubs in the premiership have at least one really gifted player. I think they'd all just move up a notch.
Interesting if players were banned from internationals though, I can't see it but would make the World Cup interesting
but can't seeing this amounting to anything , every few years there's talk of a super league.strung out
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We'll see, but they're majority fan owned, so I'd be surprised.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Hell of a lot of games if they're playing in premiership as well - would they just play their reserves there so the only time people would see the stars is in the European games? I'm sure sky would be delighted to triple the pay-per-view prices and screen them all.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
What are you going on about?
On the topic itself this isn't a surprise. I caught the 90"s wave of football when it started changing. Obviously I was a kid with rose tinted glassses, but the last few times I've been to City it's felt so dead and different to what I remember. This trajectory has been building for a long time.
This is probably just posturing, but it shows how much power these clubs have.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
It's bullshit on so many levels. The Champions League is already a closed shop, just one that hands out "participant" rosettes to the occasional plucky underdog. The format is such that in any given year the last 16 will include:
4 x English clubs
Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid
Juventus
Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund
PSG
+ 5 others; not set in stone but highly likely to include Ajax, Inter Milan and Porto.
England is (as per usual) the problem child in the equation. 6 into 4 doesn't go, and upstarts like Leicester and (gulp) West Ham don't help.
With apologies for a Spurs-centric point of view (they're my team and those I know best) it pisses me off even more than it otherwise would because we battled so hard to become one of the "big 6" from the outside. Before Man City's oil wealth, the top 4 was a closed shop in monetary terms anyway - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal - from the Martin Jol era of around 2005, we were in a completely different financial league from those 4 with their annual CL income, but we competed and chipped away at the top, finishing 4th and 5th a few times, until the mid 2010s when we were genuinely starting to mix at the top with a few top 3 places. We of all clubs should see what Leicester are doing and welcome it as sporting competition, not a financial threat.
Leicester have spent the past 5 years doing the same and even better(they won the bloody thing after all!) and if they continue to be well run could conceivably be the next interlopers, the generational shift in who the "big" clubs are. West Ham could be currently in their first season of doing the same. To pull the ladder up and deny them that opportunity stinks, it really fucking stinks.
Even if there are sanctions (e.g. no players for internationals) it will still stink. There will be the players who want to play at world cups, there will be the players who want to play against Barcelona and Real Madrid. Opening up the European Cup to ever-increasing numbers of non-Champions was one thing but this is next level fucking up of the game.
4 x English clubs
Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid
Juventus
Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund
PSG
+ 5 others; not set in stone but highly likely to include Ajax, Inter Milan and Porto.
England is (as per usual) the problem child in the equation. 6 into 4 doesn't go, and upstarts like Leicester and (gulp) West Ham don't help.
With apologies for a Spurs-centric point of view (they're my team and those I know best) it pisses me off even more than it otherwise would because we battled so hard to become one of the "big 6" from the outside. Before Man City's oil wealth, the top 4 was a closed shop in monetary terms anyway - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal - from the Martin Jol era of around 2005, we were in a completely different financial league from those 4 with their annual CL income, but we competed and chipped away at the top, finishing 4th and 5th a few times, until the mid 2010s when we were genuinely starting to mix at the top with a few top 3 places. We of all clubs should see what Leicester are doing and welcome it as sporting competition, not a financial threat.
Leicester have spent the past 5 years doing the same and even better(they won the bloody thing after all!) and if they continue to be well run could conceivably be the next interlopers, the generational shift in who the "big" clubs are. West Ham could be currently in their first season of doing the same. To pull the ladder up and deny them that opportunity stinks, it really fucking stinks.
Even if there are sanctions (e.g. no players for internationals) it will still stink. There will be the players who want to play at world cups, there will be the players who want to play against Barcelona and Real Madrid. Opening up the European Cup to ever-increasing numbers of non-Champions was one thing but this is next level fucking up of the game.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Mentioned in a few articles. What's the mechanism for 50+1 clubs in agreeing anything like this?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is one of the many ways in which the system has already fucked up football. It's not so long ago that the idea of 'rotation' was almost unheard of. Man U started it, pretty much, in the 90s, when they rotated four strikers - Yorke, Cole, Sherringham, Solskaer. Now the top teams have at least two top players for every position. Meaning the rest of the teams have fewer players to choose from. Even top internationals like Raheem Stirling can struggle to get regular matches. We're all short-changed by the quality sitting on the bench rather than on the pitch.
Something like this idea would only move that situation even further.
Was more making a point about the word 'Super' rather than 'Wealthy'
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It’s all legacy stuff isn’t it? The history of the clubs. Their origins. The concept of promotion/relegation. The notion of footballing form threatening profits. The view that the game isn’t merely a multi media spectacle without meaning. All legacy stuff. All ‘gammon’ like nostalgia to be swept aside for the ‘new generation’ of stakeholder fan
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hard not to agree with him . He is a millionaire property developer who co-owns a club but you do get the feeling that whilst he is not against money and profit in football he is against those two things overriding everything.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Legacy fans , legacy working class. As Mandelson once said of the latter but its true of the former 'they've got nowhere else to go'
