Athos
Well-Known Member
It's simpler than that. You can't have a credible super league without it being open to anyone who preforms well enough domestically.
European Super League (again)
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discokermit
Well-Known Member
what will they have to negotiate? stood in no mans land with their arses hanging out?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Nah, 'winning' is for losers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i suppose that clubs wishing to form an elite superleague think that money is more important than credibility
discokermit
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Athos
Well-Known Member
It's just that they're not football people; for them 'winning' has other metrics i.e. money.
Athos
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tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Blimey. Pretty forthright.
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Yeah, I agree with that, but the new CL format announced by UEFA yesterday was supposed to be the compromise. Given all the backing from national FAs and governments, I don't think the ESL 12 have quite the leverage they thought they did with UEFA to negotiate something better.
Athos
Well-Known Member
At the risk of going 'no true Scotsman', are there any genuine football people who favour this?
Or is it just greedy businessmen and armchair 'fans' (most of whom have no meaningful link to the clubs they 'support')?
I can't think of anything in football so universally condemned; christ, there's even still the odd person who tacitly defends/minimises racism!
Or is it just greedy businessmen and armchair 'fans' (most of whom have no meaningful link to the clubs they 'support')?
I can't think of anything in football so universally condemned; christ, there's even still the odd person who tacitly defends/minimises racism!
discokermit
Well-Known Member
i think people here are forgetting that most of the players and managers are fans of football since they were children. most of them come from working class backgrounds and are already richer than they could ever imagine. if people think they would just do it for the money i think they are wrong. and if the players and managers are against it it will be doomed from the start.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I agree. I think they're egged each other on,until they belived their own hubris. But they've really misjudged the wider reaction.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I think johnson's involvement and threats of state action are interesting. There's an obvious populism in play here, even some misty eyed notion of the man on the Clapham Omnibus voter behind the red wall. I'm quite surprised how willing he seems to be to intervene and clash with certain bits of the neoliberal elite. I suspect that, alongside the populism, there's a sense of the proposal breaching the government's vision of equality of opportunity. They have a mystical realm where people with massively different resources and capital of all sorts compete against each other - life as an unequal level playing field. Football embodies that for them, Wimbledon muscling their way into the first division in the 80s, Burnley and others doing it now. Of course, the other bits of their lizard brains are delighted to see monopolies elsewhere and to dish out contracts to the nearest crony they can find. Suppose I'm saying the 90 minutes of competition between vastly unequal clubs gets to the heart of the lie johnson and the rest tell themselves about modern Britain.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It was reported yesterday that superleague.nl has been reserved, but not superleague.pt (or Belgium, etc)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The German Football Federation (DFB) "Clubs and their youth teams should be excluded from all competitions, until they think again of their many supporters, who have transformed them into giants of world football, and not just the purse,"
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yup, particularly if they could be banned from playing internationals or other competitions. Another reason why grubby compromise is the most likely outcome.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Liverpools debt isn't anything like that, the owners got the club cheap and it's now worth around six times as much, which makes their greed for more even worse.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I have a feeling/hope that the dirty dozen have fucked it up magnificently. Without the german and french clubs it robs it off any claim to be a "super league" - (unless you think the mighty spurs are a bigger global "brand" the PSG and Bayern Munich).
Maybe they thought the fans would moan and grouse but go along with it in the end (just like they always have done), that the domestic leagues would have to lump it as a fait accompli (maybe with the some extra cash thrown in their direction) and that the revenue returns from their business model would sway over the other clubs they were going to bless with invitations.
They will have also have assumed that the players and managers of the "elite" clubs would just comply because they are mere employees.
But the closed shop arrangement is so fundamentally against what football is about it has united ordinary fans in outrage alongside FIFA, UEFA, ex players, governments and every other club in europe.
The only people who think this isnt a terrible idea are the owners of the scab clubs.
Players for the scab club may be employees - but they are also people who grew up in love with football, dreaming of world cups and wembly and european glory - and who will have shared the same dreams and hopes of every other fan when they were young and cheering on their team. These players will be talking to fans, the players from all the other clubs and to past players who they worshipped. They will fear that all they hoped to do as footballers will be taking away in return for mere cash and playing in an exhibition league in front of tourist/customers rather than the passionate masses. UEFA FIFA and the domestic FAs may blacklist them.
The players have the power to stop this shite - will they use it?
in addition this shit show may be the spur to reform the game - to bring in proper regulation and give fans a much greater role - and to clear out the corrupt shite houses of FIFA and UEFA at the same time.
This is a reckoning that has been coming since TV rights became the main income stream and football club became PLCs - but football is not just balances sheets and share prices - it is people's communities and dreams and ideals, its the tribal memories of glory and despair - and of tragedy. This absolutely pisses all over that - and people will fight.
Maybe they thought the fans would moan and grouse but go along with it in the end (just like they always have done), that the domestic leagues would have to lump it as a fait accompli (maybe with the some extra cash thrown in their direction) and that the revenue returns from their business model would sway over the other clubs they were going to bless with invitations.
They will have also have assumed that the players and managers of the "elite" clubs would just comply because they are mere employees.
But the closed shop arrangement is so fundamentally against what football is about it has united ordinary fans in outrage alongside FIFA, UEFA, ex players, governments and every other club in europe.
The only people who think this isnt a terrible idea are the owners of the scab clubs.
Players for the scab club may be employees - but they are also people who grew up in love with football, dreaming of world cups and wembly and european glory - and who will have shared the same dreams and hopes of every other fan when they were young and cheering on their team. These players will be talking to fans, the players from all the other clubs and to past players who they worshipped. They will fear that all they hoped to do as footballers will be taking away in return for mere cash and playing in an exhibition league in front of tourist/customers rather than the passionate masses. UEFA FIFA and the domestic FAs may blacklist them.
The players have the power to stop this shite - will they use it?
in addition this shit show may be the spur to reform the game - to bring in proper regulation and give fans a much greater role - and to clear out the corrupt shite houses of FIFA and UEFA at the same time.
This is a reckoning that has been coming since TV rights became the main income stream and football club became PLCs - but football is not just balances sheets and share prices - it is people's communities and dreams and ideals, its the tribal memories of glory and despair - and of tragedy. This absolutely pisses all over that - and people will fight.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Well, I'd love to see that (of course), I'm just not sure how that happens or who does it (even more so at the moment as there's no way to boycott a club that isn't allowing fans in anyway). There's a false unity at the moment of grass roots, prem league, government and uefa, it would have to be a different group of people to come up with some deeper reform. Now's the moment I suppose, but who and how?
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I wonder what we'll find out at 10.30?
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Algorithms have no soul
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Aye, would love to see it happen, but there's a lot of powers who would oppose and work against it. Many of whom are currently positioning themselves as protectors of the sport against monied interests
discokermit
Well-Known Member
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The clips that were released before his interview was cut short show him saying that "It is not a sport when success is guaranteed or it doesn’t matter when you lose." .
