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Well, I'd love to see that (of course), I'm just not sure how that happens or who does it (even more so at the moment as there's no way to boycott a club that isn't allowing fans in anyway). There's a false unity at the moment of grass roots, prem league, government and uefa, it would have to be a different group of people to come up with some deeper reform. Now's the moment I suppose, but who and how?

I dont know how or who - but this is a crunch point. The financial framework of football utterly unsustainable and covid has accelerated that - and this has what has spurred on the scab clubs - but the backlash may overwhelm them, and the fallout could see football clubs have to accept new regs (maybe things like 50% fan ownership) of go bust. Dont know - but its not just the capitalists who can exploit a crises - as lenin might have said.
 
Grimsby Town is offering to take shirts from dissatisfied fans, swap them for GTFC shirts, and give the others to African charities.
Whats the news in Spain from supporters ?I read that the Govt has come out against it and wants everyone round the table
 
On a lighter note, I have been enjoying the suggestion that to fully maximise the new league's international appeal, they should allow a few NFL teams to compete and play under American football rules. :thumbs:
TBF I think we are seeing the confluence of elements that ultimately lead to the creation of first Street Football, then Aeroball, and finally Inferno

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I think johnson's involvement and threats of state action are interesting. There's an obvious populism in play here, even some misty eyed notion of the man on the Clapham Omnibus voter behind the red wall. I'm quite surprised how willing he seems to be to intervene and clash with certain bits of the neoliberal elite. I suspect that, alongside the populism, there's a sense of the proposal breaching the government's vision of equality of opportunity. They have a mystical realm where people with massively different resources and capital of all sorts compete against each other - life as an unequal level playing field. Football embodies that for them, Wimbledon muscling their way into the first division in the 80s, Burnley and others doing it now. Of course, the other bits of their lizard brains are delighted to see monopolies elsewhere and to dish out contracts to the nearest crony they can find. Suppose I'm saying the 90 minutes of competition between vastly unequal clubs gets to the heart of the lie johnson and the rest tell themselves about modern Britain.
Johnson has nothing to lose by sticking his oar in, if it gets called off he can polish his Man of The People credentials, even if his inteference has absolutely nothing to do with why it gets called off. If it doesn't it's a safe bet that no blame is likely to stick and he will get some credit for trying.
 
All this has spurred me into thinking I should read up on sports politics and finance, rather than just muttering 'cunts' all the time. Any good recent books you'd recommend anybody?
 
Johnson has nothing to lose by sticking his oar in, if it gets called off he can polish his Man of The People credentials, even if his inteference has absolutely nothing to do with why it gets called off. If it doesn't it's a safe bet that no blame is likely to stick and he will get some credit for trying.
Yeah, agreed. Suppose I'm interested in where he would end up if he did end up trying to intervene, pass laws etc. He doesn't normally regulate the likes of JP Morgan.
 
Yeah, agreed. Suppose I'm interested in where he would end up if he did end up trying to intervene, pass laws etc. He doesn't normally regulate the likes of JP Morgan.
There aren't angry mobs in the streets demanding the heads of board of JP Morgan, lots of people will have never even heard of them. Pitchforks and tar for the Man U Board is being gathered as we speak.
 
All this has spurred me into thinking I should read up on sports politics and finance, rather than just muttering 'cunts' all the time. Any good recent books you'd recommend anybody?

The Club: How the Premier League Became the Richest, Most Disruptive Business in Sport -J.Clegg

Price of Football- Maguire
 
All this has spurred me into thinking I should read up on sports politics and finance, rather than just muttering 'cunts' all the time. Any good recent books you'd recommend anybody?
Shit, this is annoying, I swear I remember seeing a book about the commercialisation of football recently that sounded good but I'm fucked if I can remember the name or the author. I think the author had something to do with Orgreave, maybe? I promise my posts are not actually paid content advertising FCUM, but the only name I managed to think of off the top of my head is Red Rebels: The Glazers and the FC Revolution by John-Paul O'Neill (not actually read it but bought it as a present for someone once so I must've thought it sounded decent).
There's the Gabriel Kuhn book, Soccer vs. the State, as well?
 
David Conn is generally pretty good on that side of things.
Thank you for that, David Conn was the name I was trying to think of with "something to do with Orgreave" - I was getting Orgreave and Hillsborough mixed up, as 80s SYP stories go I suppose it makes a bit more sense that a football writer would be writing about Hillsborough.
(ETA: just checked again and David Conn has actually written about Orgreave as well, so I was right first time.)
 
I don't think I've ever witnessed such negative PR for anything quite like this. It's incredible how united everyone is from government, press, players, managers, fans...

Surely the weight of negativity that has built up, the threats of FIFA/UEFA exclusion, plus the possible law changes which would get overwhelming cross-party support will prevent this happening. I just can't see it being a thing that'll happen in any proper sense.
 
I don't think I've ever witnessed such negative PR for anything quite like this. It's incredible how united everyone is from government, press, players, managers, fans...

Surely the weight of negativity that has built up, the threats of FIFA/UEFA exclusion, plus the possible law changes which would get overwhelming cross-party support will prevent this happening. I just can't see it being a thing that'll happen in any proper sense.
My hope is that not only will it not happen, but these 12 clubs will have so disgraced themselves that whatever bargaining power they had over future changes will have been weakened. Hard not to see this as a massive tactical blunder. I just can't think that they anticipated this level of opposition. But I also can't think why they wouldn't have anticipated it.
 
My hope is that not only will it not happen, but these 12 clubs will have so disgraced themselves that whatever bargaining power they had over future changes will have been weakened. Hard not to see this as a massive tactical blunder. I just can't think that they anticipated this level of opposition. But I also can't think why they wouldn't have anticipated it.
Hubris. Arrogance
Failure to understand anything other than greed.
 
Hubris. Arrogance
Failure to understand anything other than greed.
Perhaps they were daft enough to believe their own statement that 'fans really, really want to see legendary players in major teams playing exhibition matches week-in and week-out'.
 
All this has spurred me into thinking I should read up on sports politics and finance, rather than just muttering 'cunts' all the time. Any good recent books you'd recommend anybody?
I've been looking for a decent critical political economy analysis of the game for a while. Surely there's something out there?
 
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