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The Friday fundraiser conga is under way and today it addresses this issue.

 

[Serene]

Is it down to the ID Card thing? I know opening a bank account in France is a massive undertaking. Britain is not easy but still.

I dont know. Good point with ID card. When people risk their lives like this week, when they get into a terribly flimsy rubber dingy to set off across freezing cold, deep, treacherous water with also children on board it beggars belief. I mean, I dont know what going on in Calais with it all.

 

[Ax^]

disregard sage meant to quote someone eles :/

 

[eatmorecheese]

The fact that the media cycle will render this whole topic dormant, again, within a few days, is making me more nauseous than all the crap Patel and Johnson are currently coming out with.

 

[likesfish]

tbf there's a charity that might give them a free bicycle .
so 40 quid a top-up voucher and a bicycle! no wonder people are risking their families to get here .
Pretty sure the people smugglers are lying though their teeth but a lot of people are coming from nightmares. Iraq Afghanistan Iran eriteria etc

 

[bluescreen]

Oh God. How can Patel sleep at night?

 

[eatmorecheese]

Oh God. How can Patel sleep at night?

Still worth a watch. I can't play geopolitics with people's lives. Fuck the media, fuck the establishment.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Broadsheets not so much, Telegraph went with "Angish of Channel Migrant's Husband". and this quite early on a Times piece 'Although Britain’s “generous” benefits system is often blamed, the £39.63 weekly allowance is less benevolent for asylum seekers than in France, where they are given £43.50 per week and can start applying for work after six months...

The British press is staffed by some absolute vile cunts. Broadsheet or tabloid.

 

[Badgers]

Good read

Migrants - Hansard - UK Parliament

Hansard record of the item : 'Migrants' on Thursday 25 November 2021.

hansard.parliament.uk

 

[Buddy Bradley]

What is the reason that people wanting to come to the UK can pay large sums of money to people smugglers, but can't just use that money to instead buy a plane ticket to get here and then not leave? Genuine question. Is it because they don't have the necessary papers/passport, or do we make it impossible for someone from Iran or Eritrea to visit here even for a holiday?

Edit: decided to answer my own question - it's a combination of not being able to get a passport because your country is at war, plus an EU directive making airlines refuse to take anyone with the faintest suggestion of intending to migrate. Bet that's one EU rule we decided to hang onto after Brexit...

 

[MrCurry]

What is the reason that people wanting to come to the UK can pay large sums of money to people smugglers, but can't just use that money to instead buy a plane ticket to get here and then not leave? Genuine question. Is it because they don't have the necessary papers/passport, or do we make it impossible for someone from Iran or Eritrea to visit here even for a holiday?

Edit: decided to answer my own question - it's a combination of not being able to get a passport because your country is at war, plus an EU directive making airlines refuse to take anyone with the faintest suggestion of intending to migrate. Bet that's one EU rule we decided to hang onto after Brexit...

Visa free travel isn’t a thing when you’re not already coming from a rich western country, and without a visa you‘d be turned away at the incoming airport (assuming your airline had been foolish enough to allow you to fly without a visa, since it becomes their problem to fly you back after your refusal of entry).

 

[MickiQ]

What is the reason that people wanting to come to the UK can pay large sums of money to people smugglers, but can't just use that money to instead buy a plane ticket to get here and then not leave? Genuine question. Is it because they don't have the necessary papers/passport, or do we make it impossible for someone from Iran or Eritrea to visit here even for a holiday?

They wouldn't be allowed on the plane, there is a large fine for airlines that bring people here who don't have the appropriate visas so they effectively do all the border work for us in the country of origin.
Citizens of the EU, the US or places like Australia can just buy a ticket but most other countries have to contact the British Embassy and apply for a visa and explain why they want to come here.
After her own mother died Mrs Q's mum managed to get permission for her teenage sister to come here by telling immigration that she would take full responsibility for her. That was in the 70's and still took her months to do.

 

[ska invita]

Still worth a watch. I

Talking of worth a watch I was thinking about this Michael Winterbottom film

In This World (2002) ⭐ 7.3 | Drama

1h 28m | 15

www.imdb.com

charts two young boys journey from Afghanistan to the UK

Its such a masterpiece IMO, just one of the best films ever made, is it ever screened on TV? Should be in the Great British Films canon and shown regularly.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Can't remember if I've already mentioned it on this thread, but in a similar vein this is well worth a watch:

 

[gosub]

The British press is staffed by some absolute vile cunts. Broadsheet or tabloid.

Its been a while but I remember when Mr Parris was telling us about his desire to clothesline cyclists, and bringing the Press Complaints Commision into dsipute with the "it was OK for him to write it coz it was something people might say in a pub apparently. " To that end, I shall be calling Mathew Parris a psycopathic cunt in several pubs today.

 

[Serge Forward]

Talking of worth a watch I was thinking about this Michael Winterbottom film

In This World (2002) ⭐ 7.3 | Drama

1h 28m | 15

www.imdb.com

charts two young boys journey from Afghanistan to the UK

Its such a masterpiece IMO, just one of the best films ever made, is it ever screened on TV? Should be in the Great British Films canon and shown regularly.

And on a similar theme, Welcome to Paradise by Mahi Binebine is excellent.

 

[Serge Forward]

Its been a while but I remember when Mr Parris was telling us about his desire to clothesline cyclists, and bringing the Press Complaints Commision into dsipute with the "it was OK for him to write it coz it was something people might say in a pub apparently. " To that end, I shall be calling Mathew Parris a psycopathic cunt in several pubs today.

He's a strange one, He's gone from presenting a sympathetic programme on Louise Michel on the wireless... to this vile shite. The fuckpig.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's a strange one, He's gone from presenting a sympathetic programme on Louise Michel on the wireless... to this vile shite. The fuckpig.

i think many journalists' politics and morals are flexible, and the more flexible depending on the money they're paid for them. also the further away something is, like the paris commune or lm, the more romantic is appears and the less challenging to the present so perfectly possible imo for a bourgeois windbag like parris to be kinder to louise michel and full of shit on things which are contemporary

 

[8ball]

What is the reason that people wanting to come to the UK can pay large sums of money to people smugglers, but can't just use that money to instead buy a plane ticket to get here and then not leave? Genuine question. Is it because they don't have the necessary papers/passport, or do we make it impossible for someone from Iran or Eritrea to visit here even for a holiday?

Edit: decided to answer my own question - it's a combination of not being able to get a passport because your country is at war, plus an EU directive making airlines refuse to take anyone with the faintest suggestion of intending to migrate. Bet that's one EU rule we decided to hang onto after Brexit...

Good work on answering your own question. Also a good example of not all “just asking a question” cases being a front for a nefarious agenda.

 

[friendofdorothy]

our govt makes it near impossible to claim asylum by legal means.

 

[teqniq]

Detailed account of what happened. It is claimed that they were in UK waters when some called for help but UK authorities stated they were still in French waters. French authorities claim the opposite. Pretty damning on all concerned:

https://www.rudaw.net/english/world/28112021

 

[teqniq]

This scum needs to be reported by as many people as possible:

 

[existentialist]

This scum needs to be reported by as many people as possible:

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Hateful.

 

[teqniq]

Hateful.

Account is still active despite what appears to be a lot of people, including me reporting it.

 

[existentialist]

Account is still active despite what appears to be a lot of people, including me reporting it.

Yeah, and pretty brimful of similar hatreds. I despair of people like that.

 

[teqniq]

Yeah, and pretty brimful of similar hatreds. I despair of people like that.

i looked yesterday and he's taken the actual post down, all that's left are screenshots. I think this must've taken him just below the bar of an outright ban which doesn't actually say a great deal for Twitter.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Some of the hateful, vile things I've heard people say - people I work with, people I considered friends - has made me absolutely despair. Even at my advanced age I can still be shocked at the cuntitude of people.

 

[Artaxerxes]

This country is sick and frankly it can burn at this point.

 

[Pickman's model]

priti patel seeks to invoke churchill and the measures taken to prevent invasion in ww2

 

[cupid_stunt]

This country is sick and frankly it can burn at this point.

There's a lot of positive stuff in that article.

On Thursday evening, an estimated 250 people gathered on the Stade in Hastings Old Town to hold a moving vigil for the 27 people who died when their boat capsized.

One group - 35 men and five teenage boys - spent two days at sea in a small dinghy before they were picked up by Hastings RNLI inshore lifeboat on November 16. RNLI crew helped them on to the shore near the harbour arm in Hastings Old Town. . They were met by police stationed on the beach and later handed over to Border Force officials. Volunteers from Hastings Supports Refugees handed out hot drinks, food, warm clothing and blankets to the group - from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Palestine and various African countries.

On November 11, local businesses helped 53 people who arrived on Hastings beach after being rescued by lifeboats in the Channel.

Hastings RNLI lifeboat crew ‘blocked from going out to sea’ by people angry at them rescuing refugees

The RNLI has confirmed an incident took place following claims Hastings RNLI lifeboat crew were blocked from going out to sea by people angry at them for rescuing refugees in the Channel.

www.hastingsobserver.co.uk