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Well according to a former chief immigration officer interviewed on BBC breakfast this morning. They come here for the money and free housing. So you can imagine what that cunt was like when in the job.
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Well according to a former chief immigration officer interviewed on BBC breakfast this morning. They come here for the money and free housing. So you can imagine what that cunt was like when in the job.
I know it’s a racist trope, but it’s also ludicrous to pretend that the welfare state and NHS etc are never part of the attraction.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Something I've never quite understood is how people who come here 'illegally', i.e. not through the official mechanisms and therefore presumably want to avoid detection, supposedly get access to all this money and benefits?
To be quite honest, even if they somehow do, can we really blame them all that much? Don't we want to be able to help and support people in need? Most of us here are rightly proud of the NHS, presumably because we believe in its founding principle that access to healthcare is a fundamental human right, whoever the human?
Sure, there's a question of resources, but the part of the equation we should be looking at is why there isn't more money in the first place, rather than how many people need healthcare.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm staying right the fuck away from any comment threads on anything to do with this. I already know I have to share this island with a large number of twisted, hate-filled ghouls and I don't need to be reminded of just how bad that situation has got.
As others have stated on other threads, if someone wants to claim asylum in the UK, there isn’t actually a legal way of getting here.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
In the year ending March 2021, the UK received 26,903 asylum applications from main applicants only.
Over the same period, asylum applications to other EU countries have also seen a decrease.In 2020, the highest number of asylum applicants received in the EU+ were received by Germany (122,015 applicants) and France (93,475 applicants). In the same period, the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with the EU+ member states, around 7% of the total asylum applicants in the EU+ and UK. This would represent only the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population.
What benefits do asylum-seekers receive in the UK?
The majority of asylum-seekers do not have the right to work in the United Kingdom and so must rely on state support.
Housing is provided, but asylum-seekers cannot choose where it is, and it is often ‘hard to let’ properties which Council tenants do not want to live in.
Cash support is available, and is currently set at £39.63 per person, per week, which makes it £5.64 a day for food, sanitation and clothing.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I think I have some sense of what you're talking about, but it's one of many subjects where whatever I have learned about it hasn't really stuck.
Regardless of the legality or otherwise, though, still not clear on how they supposedly get access to all these benefits when presumably trying to avoid detection, particularly given how apparently hostile and uncooperative our welfare system can actually be in reality.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That is definitely true for the ones I have known and talked to about it. But having spent time in parts of the world where plenty of asylum seekers come from and talked to people there, the misunderstandings of how they work also contributes to the desire to come here. It was common that people thought the State buys you a house, home ownership is at 100%, jobs are easy to come by, and everyone here is rich.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Someone's bilking the NHS for everything they can get but it's not Afghans, Eritreans or Kurds.
A common one is moaning about the housing crisis being a result of migrants being given all the houses. Lets the landlords and speculators and assorted middleman parasites feasting thereupon off the hook nicely. So nicely in fact that it's hard not to suspect that the real arseholes out there are stirring up racism on purpose. In reality I suppose they just get their tame trolls at the Express and Telegraph to do it for them.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
This crisis says as much about the un-attractiveness of other countries & their hostility to both refugees and migrants as it does about the opposite being true of the UK [despite the racists shitehawks trying their best to pretend otherwise].
There's little or no point in saying other countries have to take their share if people don't want to go there.
Maybe better & quicker processing would be the solution. But a certain country that exacerbated the problem need to step up their admissions [I'm looking across the Atlantic].
Would you want to stay in a country that would stone you to death for being you - and that's not just gays, but atheists and converts ... ?
There's little or no point in saying other countries have to take their share if people don't want to go there.
Maybe better & quicker processing would be the solution. But a certain country that exacerbated the problem need to step up their admissions [I'm looking across the Atlantic].
Would you want to stay in a country that would stone you to death for being you - and that's not just gays, but atheists and converts ... ?
Tory brains don't work like rational brains, so I'm sure it makes perfect sense to them.
I agree that lots will be driven by the illusion that the uk is more generous than it actually is. And those who are here illegally, well they’re just fodder for exploitation unfortunately.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
The Dalai Lama said that it is not the answer to have thousands of people continually moving into other countries because those countries cannot support it all. He said the answer is to sort out the countries that they are moving from. Find what is causing it and sort it out. Look at what China has done to Tibet. In 1950 Communist China invaded Tibet and " After years of scattered protests, a full-scale revolt broke out in March 1959, and the Dalai Lama was forced to flee as the uprising was crushed by Chinese troops."
There are so many greedy and arrogant people in this world that I know that nature is going to put an end to the greed and arrogance of humans. World " leaders " wont put a stop to climate change, and it is possibly too far gone now. People always support a cause yet let other people do the work while they continue to be greedy and selfish in their lives.
There are so many greedy and arrogant people in this world that I know that nature is going to put an end to the greed and arrogance of humans. World " leaders " wont put a stop to climate change, and it is possibly too far gone now. People always support a cause yet let other people do the work while they continue to be greedy and selfish in their lives.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yes most of the people I've met trying to get to the UK have already tried their luck elsewhere and been treated like dogshit. Most European countries have paramilitary police forces with little to do all day but beat up defenceless people, so that's one big factor. Anecdotally the Belgians are among the most brutal but I've heard horror stories from just about everywhere.
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back on the other side
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
What does this mean?
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
People are full of delusions.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
gosub
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You mean the France that cleared the camps the day before?
probably language, chances are they have best grasp of English than other European languages
But presumably this is only until their claim is approved where upon they get leave to remain or similar?
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
I would guess another reason (aside from those posted above, e.g. #30) is because they already have relatives and/or friends in Britain. When my grandparents left Russia around 1902, they came to Whitechapel because one of them already had a sister living there, plus there was an established Yiddish-speaking East European / Russian Jewish community in Whitechapel. Less chance of that for today's refugees who get dispersed among hotels and B&Bs up and down Britain.
BTW Germany and France take in a lot more refugees than Britain.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Oh, undeniably, a big way to stop people trying to cross the Channel in dangerous, deadly ways would be to help make it so there aren't so many compelling reasons for them to flee their home in the first place. Plus, stop contributing to them...
However, in the meantime, while we're working on that...
The video that weepiper posted above has a decent insight from the migrants awful viewpoint on the reason for heading to the UK.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Thank you. I have to go to work, I shall read it later when I have more time.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
While an admirable sentiment in one sense, but surely, as I suggested above, it's important to know why people feel the need to flee their home so that maybe we can address the root cause(s)? Because I would bet that most of these people would far prefer to stay in their home country, as most of us would, if they felt that was in any way a viable prospect.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
The long term solution being perhaps we stop destabilising entire regions, giving succour to despotic regimes that make living in those places untenable. That's a nice thought and perhaps looking into it, amongst other causes is a good idea. I'll agree there for sure.
I still don't care though. Come here because you're scared, come here because you can't give your weans a good life where you're from, come here because it's a better way of life or come here because our welfare system is perceived as generous. All of these are irrelevant to me when people are dying by the dozen in order to get here.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Well. Macron and Johnson are not people whom care about it. They use this situation as an excuse to lock horns and taunt each other with it. There are leaders of countries and they are puerile and congenitally uncapable of having or knowing any humanity. France and England, tit for tat, tit for tat, and on and on and on. This migrant situation is also a political one. France are currently reeling from having their nuclear submarine contract with Australia removed and given to Britain and US ( or whichever it was ), and so now there will be more taunting and nastiness between France and Britain ( the leaders that is, not the people ).
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