I’ve been thinking about this and it’s quite possible that we (in the phone credit group) have actually spoken with these people. Maybe topped up their phones before they made the journey. And reading some of the comments on social media have made me feel sick. It’s just heartbreaking that desperate people are dying and yet people are still banging on about ‘are homeless’. They don’t give a shit about our homeless any other time.
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gosub
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france are reporting that most of the victims in this instance are Kurds
bimble
floofy
the vast majority of the millions of displaced people who have fled their homes in recent years don't make it anywhere near france, or england, are living in vast refugee camps in places like Uganda. The scale of it, arial photographs you can look at of the enormous makeshift camps that are all over the world right now, bordering countries where there are wars and crises we barely read a thing about, is mind blowing. I know this doesn't help, its just a thing i've been trying to get my head round recently.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Aye, fair enough, arguably not relevant when deciding whether to help or not. Just feel like it's probably remains relevant for those who come here.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yes, as at which point they are no longer asylum seekers. However that can take YEARS.
Dadaab camp in Kenya has over 200,000 refugees.
gosub
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very true. During the first lockdown last year, a bunch of Britain First arseholes gained entry to one of the hotels asylum seekers were being housed in (got arrested for their efforts). Some pseudo investigative jorno piece. Were banging about how they in the lap of luxury whilst homeless veterans slept on the streets. It was the first lockdown....they didn't even know about the commendable efforts that were made in THAT lockdown to house the homeless. (why it wasn't repeated during the subsequent and much colder lockdown is a different question)
I had to go to one of the hotels recently. The security was insane. I had to take photo ID and there were security guards everywhere. It is awful that that level of security is deemed necessary.
ska invita
back on the other side
yes...millions of refugees in Turkey for example..3.6 mill just from Syria.... can't begin to image what's going to happen once climate crisis bites harder
Perhaps not surprising given the numbers. Over 25,000 this year according to reports.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
The British Empire. It used to be very big indeed. It colonised much of the world, taught the new subjects to be loyal to the crown, promoted the use of the English language and at times encouraged those same foreign subjects to come here to work. The collapse of empire also led to crises around the world which precipitated immigration, Uganda and Kenya spring to mind. As a legacy of empire the UK still gets involved in disputes and wars around the globe. Is it any wonder that people from all over have come here and that others want to join them?
Surely Kurds and Syrians etc were in the Ottoman Empire?
And sadly nowadays in the shit and desperate to extricate themselves from it as best they can.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Kurds come from all over, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran. All these states, arguably, are actively discriminating or attacking Kurdish populations and have been for yonks. So Kurds from outside Turkey would likely not voluntarily spend to much time in that country if they could avoid it. So why not the UK? Britain decided to rule the country after WW1 and has interfered ever since.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
The karmic solution would be:
Well, I can fucking dream, can't I?
- anybody now or previously in government who pursued the wars in Iraq, Aghanistan, Libya, etc, and anyone who financially profited from those wars, should give up their homes, mansions, palaces and all other properties for the exclusive use and comfort of the refugee population they created.
- the same boss class scum who caused all this should be put on a fuckin lilo and dropped somewhere in the Bay of Biscay.
Well, I can fucking dream, can't I?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Boris Johnson and the parliamentary conservative party won't go far among the penguins of South Georgia. So the boss class scum are already spoken for, if the penguins of the British Antarctic Territory are to get some pengo too. An initial list is contained in the current edition of who's who.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Empire also helped facilitate a wider European diaspora of an expanding population, either fleeing oppression or economic hardship. But that was totally fine. When the dynamic is reversed, it's an existential threat.
There's no sympathy or understanding from the wankers in control either side of The Channel. Totally shameful.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Us 'sorting out' Iraq is the primary reason there have been so many Iraqis fleeing for their lives over the past two decades.
8ball
1,200 lights
Things would have been a lot different if they had actually had weapons of mass destruction.
As in we'd have attacked another country instead...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The number of refugees in Jordan and Lebanon is staggering.
And many refugees in eg Syria won't be counted as such because they haven't crossed a border. As if the official borders of 'Syria' had any real meaning at this point.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Aye, we need to sort out the war-mongering, profiteering politicians and capitalists where we are (the cause) if we really want to sort out the symptoms.
liquidindian
Hello
I found this quite illuminating. I think it's a question worth asking, even it's usually asked with malice rather than looking for understanding.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Can tell that's an answer that has been honed through having to give it many, many times...
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
A piddling number compared to 1945/6, yet there was none of this crap then.
Well there was work to be done and a labour shortage so they delayed deportations until recently for Windrush.
bimble
floofy
there was plenty of this crap then too?
8ball
1,200 lights
Shame the video doesn't go any further into that conversation, but I doubt the questioner would be honest and admit that the crumbling of the entire refugee system is exactly what he wants.
Immigration was desirable post war for the govt. of course there was still racist cunts about.
Well, I suppose that's a reasonable assumption, since I obviously know my way around a forum. But let's just suspend your disbelief a sec and assume I'm not an alt of another who once roamed this place. In that case, you're Priti Patel, and I'm the immigrant trying to reach the shore. I hope the irony isn't missed on you.
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