English Channel disaster

[existentialist]

My understanding, unless some new facts have come to light in the last 24 hours, was that someone was inadvertently blocking the lifeboat ramp, and someone else was ranting and raving about refugees, but the two things weren't connected.

Or have I missed some significant fact?

 

[Spymaster]

I've seen the video of the incident. It's on this thread somewhere, isn't it?

Yes, but that's just some dick shouting at the lifeboat people. He wasn't the cause of the block. He was an opportunitic bell-end.

 

[Spymaster]

My understanding, unless some new facts have come to light in the last 24 hours, was that someone was inadvertently blocking the lifeboat ramp, and someone else was ranting and raving about refugees, but the two things weren't connected.

Or have I missed some significant fact?

This is correct according to current information.

 

[Raheem]

This is correct according to current information.

The video I've seen has the guy shouting at the lifeboat crew and then a short time later a small group of men throwing fish into the sea as the boat attempts to launch. According to the on-screen captioning, this is to attract seagulls so that the boat has to stop. I can't confirm that seagulls stop lifeboats, but I also can't think of a sane reason to throw fish in front of one. There wasn't a second boat in the footage, but maybe it was out of shot.

 

[8ball]

I can't confirm that seagulls stop lifeboats...

We have a lot of documented evidence of them being massive cunts.

 

[Spymaster]

The video I've seen has the guy shouting at the lifeboat crew and then a short time later a small group of men throwing fishing into the sea at the boat attempts to launch. According to the on-screen captioning, this is to attract seagulls so that the boat has to stop. I can't confirm that seagulls stop lifeboats, but I also can't think of a sane reason to throw fish in front of one. There wasn't a second boat in the footage, but maybe it was out of shot.

The lifeboat attempted to launch on an unusual side of the harbour. There was a fishing boat in the way and they shouted at the fisherman to move which created a verbal altercation. The fish being thrown into the water was the fisherman dumping his by-catch. Or do you really think it's more likely he was trying to create an impenetrable seagull screen?

Here is a more reasonable account of what happened:

Hastings fishermen explain circumstances over RNLI lifeboat ‘blocking’

Hastings fishermen have denied any involvement with abuse reportedly shouted at Hastings RNLI lifeboat crew by people angry at them for rescuing refugees in the Channel.

www.hastingsobserver.co.uk

 

[cupid_stunt]

The video I've seen has the guy shouting at the lifeboat crew and then a short time later a small group of men throwing fish into the sea as the boat attempts to launch. According to the on-screen captioning, this is to attract seagulls so that the boat has to stop. I can't confirm that seagulls stop lifeboats, but I also can't think of a sane reason to throw fish in front of one. There wasn't a second boat in the footage, but maybe it was out of shot.

I can hear one person shouting from a distance, and one (same one?) throwing fish into the sea, not a group of men, those it yellow wellies are all RNLI people.

And, to suggest a few seagulls would stop the launch is frankly beyond madness.

 

[Raheem]

The fish being thrown into the water was the fisherman dumping his by-catch. Or do you really think it's more likely he was trying to create an impenetrable seagull screen?

I think he could easily have dumped fish somewhere other than in front of a lifeboat trying to launch. And he wasn't on his own. There were three or four others with him.

 

[Spymaster]

And, to suggest a few seagulls would stop the launch is frankly beyond madness.

And the bloke who dumps the fish in the water to create a sooper-dooper, impenetrable seagull screen, dumps them in AFTER the boat has launched!

 

[Spymaster]

I think he could easily have dumped fish somewhere other than in front of a lifeboat trying to launch.

I think you're being silly.

 

[cupid_stunt]

And he wasn't on his own. There were three or four others with him.

This is bollocks, as the video I've just posted shows.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

If we all gave up having fish and chips for tea, none of this would have happened.

 

[Pickman's model]

And the bloke who dumps the fish in the water to create a sooper-dooper, impenetrable seagull screen, dumps them in AFTER the boat has launched!

Yeh to prevent them getting back

 

[tonysingh]

If we all gave up having fish and chips for tea, none of this would have happened.

Sounds like you've haddock enough of this thread.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Seagulls stop lifeboats now? Fucking hell, Tobyjug would just love that. RNLI can't shoot hysterical man cos he's got a gull.

 

[Spymaster]

Yeh to prevent them getting back

Absolutely. He just needs to work on his timing!

 

[Spymaster]

Seagulls stop lifeboats now?

Only in hastings. They're made of metal. And explosive.

 

[Raheem]

I think you're being silly.

Alright, having not previously forensically examined the video, I'll admit to the possibility that I may have been misled by the captioning.

All the same, what we're left with is eyewitness accounts and a denial by someone representing the fishermen. I can't see what basis there is to assume one side has it right and the other not.

 

[cupid_stunt]

All the same, what we're left with is eyewitness accounts and a denial by someone representing the fishermen. I can't see what basis there is to assume one side has it right and the other not.

We also have the video backing-up the representative of the fishermen, and showing that the eyewitness account is bollocks, Rodney.

 

[Spymaster]

Alright, having not previously forensically examined the video, I'll admit to the possibility that I may have been misled by the captioning.

All the same, what we're left with is eyewitness accounts and a denial by someone representing the fishermen. I can't see what basis there is to assume one side has it right and the other not.

The application of critical thinking helps.

Nothing in the videos (apart from the highly dubious captioning) supports the blockading assertion.

How would the people filming and captioning the video (and the supposed blockaders) know that the boat is answering a refugee call-out? I don't believe the lifeboat station broadcasts the nature of the shout to everyone on the beach.

The fishermen's account seems highly credible and supported by the videos.

There has been nothing from the RNLI or the police that confirms any sinister actions.

The bloke supposedly chumming-up the water to create the exploding-seagull barrier, does so AFTER the boat is in the water.

Seagulls don't stop lifeboats.

 

[Raheem]

We also have the video backing-up the representative of the fishermen, and showing that the eyewitness account is bollocks, Rodney.

The video doesn't back anything up, Del, except that someone was shouting at the RNLI. According to the eyewitnesses, this was someone on the beach, possibly a fisherman. One of them took a photo of the guy. According to the fishermen's rep, this was a lorry driver who just happened to be passing while the fishermen and the lifeboat crew were having an argument, which suggests it was not anyone on the beach (or how would you know it was a lorry driver). So somebody must be making something up.

 

[Spymaster]

The video doesn't back anything up, Del, except that someone was shouting at the RNLI. According to the eyewitnesses, this was someone on the beach, possibly a fisherman. One of them took a photo of the guy. According to the fishermen's rep, this was a lorry driver who just happened to be passing while the fishermen and the lifeboat crew were having an argument, which suggests it was not anyone on the beach (or how would you know it was a lorry driver). So somebody must be making something up.

You plonker!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Seagulls don't stop lifeboats.

This one does:



But he restricts his activities to Brixham.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The video doesn't back anything up, Del, except that someone was shouting at the RNLI. According to the eyewitnesses, this was someone on the beach, possibly a fisherman. One of them took a photo of the guy. According to the fishermen's rep, this was a lorry driver who just happened to be passing while the fishermen and the lifeboat crew were having an argument, which suggests it was not anyone on the beach (or how would you know it was a lorry driver). So somebody must be making something up.

The so-called eye witness claims there was a group blocking the RNLI lifeboat, the video clearly shows that wasn't the case.

And, no one claimed the 'lorry driver who just happened to be passing', you do realise lorries pick-up the fishermen's catches to take to market(s), and the fish don't swim there themselves, Rodney?

 

[JimW]

Always wondered about the etymology of "gullible".

 

[Spymaster]

The so-called eye witness claims there was a group blocking the RNLI lifeboat, the video clearly shows that wasn't the case.

And, no one claimed the 'lorry driver who just happened to be passing', you do realise lorries pick-up the fishermen's catches to take to market(s), and the fish don't swim there themselves, Rodney?

There is NOBODY on the beach apart from the fisherman and the lifeboat people. Whoever's captioning the vid says there was a group blocking the boat and then fails to film the single most important part of his story. Those people.

Also, if some bloke started gobbing-off racist shit at a lifeboat launch whilst I was filming, I'd put my camera on him. Doesn't that suggest that the most likely culprit is the geezer who enters the video above (post #187) from the left, right at the beginning? That would mean he wasn't on the beach at all.

 

[MickiQ]

Normally such gobshites as the guy in the video are completely forgotten within about 10 mins this one seems to have made a much greater impression than he deserved.

 

[Peter Painter]

I have this wild fantasy that the boat owning, seafaring people of the south of England band together, invoke the 'Spirit of Dunkirk', and set sail for the French coast on a rescue mission to pick up the asylum seekers before bringing them to safety in our fair land...

 

[gosub]

I have this wild fantasy that the boat owning, seafaring people of the south of England band together, invoke the 'Spirit of Dunkirk', and set sail for the French coast on a rescue mission to pick up the asylum seekers before bringing them to safety in our fair land...

Not sure , but think you end up with boat being confiscated

 

[Peter Painter]

Not sure , but think you end up with boat being confiscated

You're probably right. No good just one or even a few trying. It would have to be a huge improvised fleet.

I did say it was a wild fantasy!