England v Slovakia 5pm 30/6

[Wilf]

Fuck it, come on Slovakia!

 

[planetgeli]

We're just getting the team selection and tactics right for the next game

Is it a friendly against Andorra? The next game I mean.

 

[strung out]

What's your hot take on what's wrong, out of interest?

Certainly not that the players are spoilt peacocks.

My hot take is that England’s top players are coached in very specific ways that work well in club football when your team is geared entirely towards playing in a particular system, but they struggle to adapt to the international game where you’re far more likely to be limited by personnel and the lack of time to work together and adapt to each other. Really skilled managers are able to overcome this to a certain extent (see Nagelsman for Germany), but it’s why I think you see smaller countries who play together more often, in less drilled club teams, able to perform well against the top countries.

Basically, I blame Guardiola, Klopp and Arteta

 

[Lord Camomile]

Yeah, only one sub, 0-1 down with 13 mins to go. This really is just odd.

 

[campanula]

Christ, I am almost sentimentally attached to the long ball. Hoof it up field and everyone fight like fuck for the second touch,, John Beck (ex-Cambridge) stylee. HFOP.
Most goals are scored with 3 or 4 touches, not 20 passes across the back of the field.

 

[JimW]

There blows the chance

 

[imposs1904]

I'm calling this. England are going to win this game.



PS - I'm Scottish.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Previously, I've credited Southgate (and the players) with making me feel a lot better about watching England than I had for a long time, basically since I was a teen.

This is such a slide backwards to how it was in between. I hate it feeling like this. This is just horrible.

 

[planetgeli]

This one's going down in history.

 

[campanula]

shut up Gareth

 

[JimW]

Shit

 

[planetgeli]

And stop with the Rice hate. He's as capable of getting the goal as anyone.

 

[JimW]

Paintwork away

 

[strung out]

Certainly not that the players are spoilt peacocks.

My hot take is that England’s top players are coached in very specific ways that work well in club football when your team is geared entirely towards playing in a particular system, but they struggle to adapt to the international game where you’re far more likely to be limited by personnel and the lack of time to work together and adapt to each other. Really skilled managers are able to overcome this to a certain extent (see Nagelsman for Germany), but it’s why I think you see smaller countries who play together more often, in less drilled club teams, able to perform well against the top countries.

Basically, I blame Guardiola, Klopp and Arteta

Alternatively, it might just be Kane’s loser gene infecting the rest of the squad.

 

[Bingoman]

Finally a second sub to late

 

[planetgeli]

Of course you'd take off Mainoo. Ffs.

 

[two sheds]

Alternatively, it might just be Kane’s loser gene infecting the rest of the squad.

You don't feel that it's a lack of running around into spaces by the forwards so the backs haven't got anyone to aim at?

 

[campanula]

Lee Dixon is getting on my wick too - I dunno what game he is watching

 

[Steel Icarus]

Not even losing heroically any more. I was heartbroken in 96, proud in 98, sad in 2018. This is just...obvious.

 

[campanula]

a lot of mistakes

 

[Steel Icarus]

I mean why the suffering fuck is Kane still on the pitch and Palmer and Trent not?

 

[Lord Camomile]

Full credit to Pickford for staying awake, and basically taking care of what little has come his way.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Ah fuck

 

[strung out]

You don't feel that it's a lack of running around into spaces by the forwards so the backs haven't got anyone to aim at?

More running around. Don’t know why they haven’t thought of that.

 

[tommers]

I mean why the suffering fuck is Kane still on the pitch and Palmer and Trent not?

Palmer is.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Slovakia should be knackered, having to desperately throw their bodies around to keep us out.

And yet...

 

[Steel Icarus]

Somebody check if Southgate is still awake

 

[oryx]

I mean I don't mind England playing boring passing defensive football and winning ugly.

I'm used to them losing in the later stages, so if they play entertaining and pacey football, try their very best and lose - so be it.

Combination of ugly football and the inevitable loss is painful to watch.

If something isn't working, you need to change it, which Southgate spectacularly failed to do at half time.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Palmer is.

Is he? Oh shit, I meant Gordon

 

[zedr]

southgate bringing the same kind of change we can expect from starmer.