England local election results thread
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Tom A
Goat among sheep
Back on the subject of TUSC and the issue of engagement with the grassroots, I will say that in Manchester at least they are trying to do that, leafleting working class areas of Manchester to build a protest against the Bedroom Tax.
Regarding UKIP, I really hope that this is a high point and people will see them for what they are (I am really concerned about their attitudes towards benefit claimants which will encourage the mainstream to be even more reactionary in that regard).
Regarding UKIP, I really hope that this is a high point and people will see them for what they are (I am really concerned about their attitudes towards benefit claimants which will encourage the mainstream to be even more reactionary in that regard).
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Is it really a good show to have less than half the votes of the English Democrat candidate?
Red Storm
M14
They were the former ruling party to be fair.
Northamptonshire
Conservative hold
C 36 (-18); Lab 11 (+5); LD 6 (-4); UKIP 3 (+2); Ind 1 (-1)
Balbi DotCommunist
Conservative hold
C 36 (-18); Lab 11 (+5); LD 6 (-4); UKIP 3 (+2); Ind 1 (-1)
Balbi DotCommunist
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's a good vote for TUSC, nothing else. Less than half the ED vote and less than a tenth of ex-ED's Davies. No, it really isnt any good in the scheme of things. A much better example of the left's weakness in the WC than UKIP's gains, especially as it is a good result for TUSC.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yes in the hope that it is the Poll Tax mark2 but Labour have got in on this just as quick.
One of difference between what some of us want to see and the likes of TUSC is that we want engagement to be on the working classes terms and dealing with the issue that they raise not some organisation deciding to engage on the issue that they think will build their organisation.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They weren't , the Mayor is just one position and he was the EDs only elected member.He then left the ED. The vast majority of councillors are Labour
Tom A
Goat among sheep
Could you kindly tell me what organisation are you part of then, that wants to campaign against the bedroom tax on the working class' terms? I am very aware of TUSC's shortcomings, but for the moment they are most viable option I have considering all the other left alternatives are even less credible, and since I have long given up on the Greens filling in that alternative role after the Brighton fiasco. Bring on Left Unity...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I am a supporter of IWCA and similar approaches.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What is the TUSC the most viable option for tom?
Is there any iwca activity in the nw? Looked into it a while ago but couldn't find owt..
Last results I think:
Cornwall
Remains no overall control
Ind 37 (+3); LD 36 (nc); Con 3 (-15); Lab 8 (+7); UKIP 6 (+6); MK 4 (-2); Green 1 (+1)
Northumberland
Remains no overall control
Lab 32 (+15); Con 21 (+3); LD 11 (-14); Ind 3 (-4)
Shropshire
Conservative hold
Con 48 (-3); LD 12 (-2); Lab 9 (+2); Ind 5 (+3)
Wiltshire
Conservative hold
Con 58 (-3); LD 27 (+5); Ind 8 (-5); Lab 4 (+2); UKIP 1 (+1)
Cornwall
Remains no overall control
Ind 37 (+3); LD 36 (nc); Con 3 (-15); Lab 8 (+7); UKIP 6 (+6); MK 4 (-2); Green 1 (+1)
Northumberland
Remains no overall control
Lab 32 (+15); Con 21 (+3); LD 11 (-14); Ind 3 (-4)
Shropshire
Conservative hold
Con 48 (-3); LD 12 (-2); Lab 9 (+2); Ind 5 (+3)
Wiltshire
Conservative hold
Con 58 (-3); LD 27 (+5); Ind 8 (-5); Lab 4 (+2); UKIP 1 (+1)
It's a decent result for a good working class candidate - It's the sort of result that if TUSC got consistently would be a basis on which to go forward with a bit of confidence in future elections. It's a shame you don't appear to have the character to acknowledge this and would rather reach for a dubious comparison like that so you can shit on what little positives they have for your own narcissistic amusement.
Depends which part of Labour your own about. Quite a hefty chunk of Progress, the PLP etc, want Labour to back the bedroom tax, and to try matching the Tories on cutting benefits - a policy which polling shows a fairly large chunk of w/c and lower m/c people support.
For all their faults I don't think that TUSC's opposition to the Bedroom Tax is insincere or simply a vain attempt to relive the Poll Tax stuff. And it's hardly surprising that a political organisation wants to campaign on issues that'll help the organisation grow - a political party that tries to increase it's size and influence? For Shame!
Red Storm
M14
I meant the ED were the former incumbent party.
Still a bad result for tusc but not as bad as normal.
It's not a bad result at all considering the context. A bad result is getting beaten by the Pirate Party in central manchester. 1900 votes and coming in between the Tories and Lib Dems is a perfectly respectable result for a fringe left-wing group. In the TUSC context it's not far off being fuckin' miraculous. Maybe they had the advantage of a well known and respected candidate in Mary Jackson? I mean George Tapp gets a respectable vote in Ordsall but I don't put that down to TUSC being popular, but coz he's an excellent candidate.
I'd never have guessed.
Don't think I put these up:
Buckinghamshire:
CON HOLD
C 36 (-8); UKIP 6 (+6); LD 5 (-6); Ind 1 (nc); Lab 1 (nc)
Devon:
CON HOLD
C 38 (-3); LD 9 (-4); Lab 7 (+1); UKIP 4 (+4); Ind 3 (+1); Green 1 (+1)
Durham:
LAB HOLD
Lab 94 (+26); Ind 19 (-9); LD 9 (-12); Con 4 (-5)
Buckinghamshire:
CON HOLD
C 36 (-8); UKIP 6 (+6); LD 5 (-6); Ind 1 (nc); Lab 1 (nc)
Devon:
CON HOLD
C 38 (-3); LD 9 (-4); Lab 7 (+1); UKIP 4 (+4); Ind 3 (+1); Green 1 (+1)
Durham:
LAB HOLD
Lab 94 (+26); Ind 19 (-9); LD 9 (-12); Con 4 (-5)
Tom A
Goat among sheep
Well to me personally they are the best option for a left protest vote, considering how the Greens have sold out and the less said about Respect, the better. That may change as events within the left unfold.
Tom A
Goat among sheep
The only time I have ever heard of IWCA is via these boards (edit to add: oh, and via Indymedia, back when I used to read it). There certainly is no sign of them around where I live.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So a left protest vote. Anything else? Is this really something to aim for?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where do you live?
Tom A
Goat among sheep
Manchester - in the constituency of Manchester Central to be exact.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How long have you lived there? Are you going to tarry awhile?
Red Storm
M14
They did give it a go there about 10 years ago.
Tom A
Goat among sheep
Well no, but at election time one is faced with some stark choices to make.
Tom A
Goat among sheep
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